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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I think one of the PPs has some bizarro-world vision of what these schools are like. There are TONS of male students at any liberal arts school who are not on teams but who are not "unconventional" to use the PP's term.

And the idea that there is some giant divide between athletes and non-athletes is ridiculous to anyone with a kid at some of the schools mentioned. These are small schools - all kids, athletes and non-athletes, [b]interact all the time in the dining hall[/b], in class, at parties, in other extracurriculars. There's actually much more mixing of groups than there was at my large university, where each team or clique had its own frat or offcampus house[/quote]

actually dining hall is where you see this most, followed by sports travel (it's amazing how much time some athletes are not on campus), followed by post-freshman housing. and parties, of course

this conversation is not helped by the whole "weirdo" talk. this issue is reported best by school papers. google relevant terms and the specific school newspaper. for example:

Amherst 
https://amherststudent.com/article/bridging-amhersts-athletic-divide/

Williams college 
https://williamsrecord.com/456140/sports/wood-party-rekindles-debate-on-athlete-culture/

Bowdoin 
https://bowdoinorient.com/2021/10/29/athletic-department-addresses-divide-between-athletes-and-non-athletes/[/quote]

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