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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Live in LA and have kids at private school. Last year maybe 20% of kids did SAT/ACT. This year the school stopped having the kids to PSAT their Jr year. It is just going away out here. 20% of kids in CA took SAT in 2022. It was almost 70% a few years ago. [/quote] If anything, you’re directionally highlighting how the pandemic reduced the number of administrations. Not sure where you sourced those figures, but it doesn’t really matter anyway. Top students in California will continue to take the ACT and/or the SAT, and the students who don’t test well will continue to hope and pray that the test blind and test optional pathways into good schools continue to exist. The idea of applying to a non-UC T25 school without an ACT or SAT score, knowing there are at least 10x the number of applicants with perfect, rigorous grades than there are applicants with perfect test scores AND that some of the competing applicants are going to be bringing a 36 or a 1600 to the party - I mean, all other things equal, good luck.[/quote] You are missing the big picture…CA has 7 UC schools ranked higher than nearly every other flagship across the country…they have Cal State options that provide strong options. I bet if UVA, VT, WM, UMD, PITT, Penn State…and then list 15 other schools that folks discuss on this board…if they were all test blind, you would see way fewer DMV kids take tests as well. That is what CA offers its residents.[/quote] And you are missing the point that there are thousands of solid CA students who matriculate to a non-California university every single year. If they're strivers, and they don't get into the better UC options, they may decide that Northwestern or Vanderbilt or Cornell is the better play than UC Merced. And they'll need a near-perfect ACT/SAT to do it. [/quote] CA is a big state. A number of posters have published actual CA data that supports that fewer than 30% of CA students are taking standardized tests. The facts absolutely support that test blind policies have depressed demand for these tests in CA. That said, 30% of CA students in any given year still results in a big number.[/quote] I have a junior in a Los Angeles public school. What people aren't factoring in here is that often even at the best of the public schools in LA / Santa Monica Malibu & Beverly Hills, let alone the rest of CA, only up to a max of 30% of the graduating class is going onto a 4 yr undergrad degree.[/quote] Really? That is surprising.[/quote] That is not true at all. Yes,perhaps if you are talking about Bakersfield or Barstow. NOT if you are talking about any public school in well off to solidly upper middle class areas, like the well educated parents raising kids in beach communities south of LA or Marin or Pasadena, La Canada, Claremont, areas outside San Francisco, communities near San Diego with strong public high schools, etc. the majority of those kids apply to 4year colleges.[/quote] Here's is Beverly Hills HS's profile for the class of 2023. https://bhhs.bhusd.org/apps/pages/index.jsp?uREC_ID=198252&type=d&pREC_ID=744027 46% to four year colleges 44% to community college 10% not attending college (military, work, gap year, etc.) [/quote] Beverly Hills high is not as competitive academically as some other schools in Southern California. Same with Thousand Oaks High. It’s considered a weaker high school in the conejo valley. Southern California schools are very diverse and serve a variety of student populations, including many first gen kids and students whose parents immigrated recently. Beverly Hills High has a very diverse population. Parents who did grow up in California went to UCs or Cal States and so that’s where their kids will go as well. Most are not even familiar with many of the colleges on the east coast or in the south. The Bay Area has different dynamics BTW. At my kid’s high achieving So Cal school (I posted upthread) about 65% go to a 4 year college. Many of the parents are from different parts of the country and so value education. [/quote]
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