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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Bottom 10% at TJ will be top 10% at Langley and McLean etc.[/quote]

Bottom 10% at TJ get a B or C in Calc AB, and that's about it with math.  Top 10% at Langley and McLean get an A in Calc BC, and follow it up with Multi Variable, and Linear Alegbra[/quote]

More so now with the essay based admission.  Bottom 10% leave after freshman, the next bottom 10% write five line essays and that's about it[/quote]

Just the opposite. The bottom 10% was worse when people were only getting in because they bought the test answers. At least now it's based on merit.[/quote]

bought test answers from where? I read conspiracy theories being floated here.  But in a real world, buyers can only exist when there is both a seller and a product present in the transaction. Who is the seller? Do they have a site where they sell this product? [/quote]

It was the place that shall not be named.  Continue to disbelieve what happened.  That way you can continue to misunderstand one of the reasons for the admissions change (there were others too). [/quote]

Let me get this. There was a place that cant be named, that sold a product that cant be mentioned, at a location that cannot be disclosed, that caused the admission change?[/quote]

*chuckles* The place is called Curie Learning Centers.

The product is/was their flagship TJ prep course that featured, among many other things, a question bank for the secured Quant-Q exam that was inappropriately derived from their previous students reporting back on the questions they'd seen when they took the exam. While Curie didn't do anything illegal, what they did was unethical, as they used materials given to them by students who had signed an agreement not to disclose any materials from the Quant-Q. It's been confirmed many times by TJ students who attended Curie and the veracity of the story is no longer up for debate among serious people. The flagship course ran about $5,000 per student (not the $20K that has been mentioned here before) and ran for a 16-month period beginning for most students at the star of their 7th grade year and running up through the administration of the Student Information Sheet in January of 8th grade.

Curie has multiple locations in Loudoun and western Fairfax Counties.

To say that the Curie matter "caused" the admissions changes is perhaps not quite appropriate, but it absolutely highlighted the need for reform because of the program's success in securing admission to TJ and the growth of its claims year over year.

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And before anyone comes at me with the snarky "look, another advertisement for Curie" nonsense, understand this:

I don't care at all how much money Dr. R is able to bilk off of insecure families - I only care that the families are not rewarded in admissions processes for having the money to burn.[/quote]

Why the fixation on Curie? have you been through their wringer?[/quote]

I fixate on Curie because TJ kids who went to Curie confirmed that they behaved unethically AND because they published the first and last names of the kids who got in using their services - and in so doing proved that they serve the South Asian community exclusively.[/quote]

How did the kids who went to Curie Learning behaved unethically when Curie has a math question bank of 100,000 questions from which they create study material and random weekly, monthly unit tests?  My son went there and we were very happy with their services.  Make sure you ask for festival discounts.  Friday samosas are great too. It's not exclusive for South Asian community, anyone who can handle their samosa spice level is happy there.  I was told they do party catering as well, but never tried though. [/quote]

Let's back up for a minute here...

The people who behaved unethically at Curie were:

1) The kids who took the Quant-Q, signed the NDA, and then went back to Curie and parroted the longform word problems that they saw on multiple forms of the exam, allowing Curie to prepare students for an exam whose entire value rests in students NOT having prepared for it;

2) The staff members at Curie who designed curriculum around secured materials - although to their credit, they may not have known that the kids signed the NDA.

The Quant-Q is NOT a math exam. It is a quantitative problem-solving assessment that places a high level of value on students taking a problem of a type that they've never seen before and diagnosing how to quickly and elegantly solve it using a combination of advanced reasoning and relatively basic math skills.

A good way to think of it is that it's like a math version of the LSAT. The Quant-Q isn't a math exam any more than the LSAT is a vocabulary test.[/quote]

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