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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I care about the health of our citizens and natural environment more than any convoluted political dogma. This is the real world where people are suffering and dying from preventable cancer caused by greedy business people who only believe in profit. You legal purists might feel satisfaction in your navel gazing thought experiments but the people you just sided with don’t give a damn about legal purity. They just used you to make a profit and escape any accountability for the death and damage that they cause against innocents. Thanks a whole lot. But at we made some sort of empty statement about “the administrative state”….

SMH[/quote]

Then use your constitutionally-protected political rights to build the coalition you want to bring about the change you want.

I’m truly flabbergasted that your fellow citizens just went through a nearly 16-year ordeal to build a house on their land facing fines of $40,000 per day from the federal government. The outrageous behavior of the EPA was so flagrant that all 9 nine justices said the EPA went too far and the hand wringing is about how out of control the court is.

I’m glad that you care about your fellow citizens health and about the environment. I share your concerns. But why don’t you redirect your anger and energy at building the political coalition you need to bring about the change you want?

If your answer is really that the government should be able to do what it believes is best to advance the common good regardless of whether the people have given it the authority to do so or not, then you better be prepared to live by those ground rules under a President DeSantis (or worse).

But my guess is that the moment government is under the control of your political opponents you’ll rediscover your affinity for a constitutional system of checks and balances along with small “l” liberalism.

A multicultural democracy cannot survive without strong procedural guardrails. [/quote]

Well said and completely agree. And I am a liberal Democrat who supports protecting the environment. But as I have grown older, I have also come to believe that that in matters of governance, the end does NOT justify the means. Without the guardrails of rules and norms, there will be no liberal democracy to protect.

In this case, anyone with a smidgen of objectivity would agree that the EPA vastly exceeded its mandate, as all SC judges (including those on the left) did. Maybe as a nation, we want EPA to have that mandate. But then that has to come from a process of lawmaking, not the creative interpretation of its own authority by an agency. Adherence to rules and norms protects all of us against different types of tyranny, which can come from either end of the political spectrum depending on who is in power. [/quote]

Yes that is beyond dispute

What is being disputed is the over reach in gutting the entire CWA that was enacted by Congress over 50 years ago and has had a very positive impact on the quality of our natural water systems.

We can fire members of the executive branch unlike the Supreme Court justices who have life time gigs and fail to implement the most basic of ethical codes of conduct. [/quote]

They didn't throw out the Clean Water Act.  [/quote]

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