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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I did walk away from the piece with a lot of sympathy for her children and the cruelties of the American justice system in separating mothers from their children, it's wrong when it's poor women of color, and it's wrong when it's a privileged white women. And you can't have sympathy for children, maybe you are also a sociopath. She's also a rape victim who was clearly under the thumb of a much older, abusive dude. Again, if you can't have sympathy for that, maybe you are a sociopath. Should she go to prison? Yes. Should be separated from her children for 12 years? No. To me it is interesting that she never sold her shares. She didn't make any money. She went down with the ship. A true sociopath would be in the Caymans right now. [/quote]

What? The punishing force of incarceration is literally being separated from the things you love, from normal life.  That's why it counts as punishment.  I have sympathy for her babies but no one put a gun to her head to have them. [/quote]

No. The point of incarceration is to rehabilitate. No civilized country in the world puts a woman in jail for a crime against property for 12 years in this matter. It's appalling when poor drug mules go to jail for 12 years and are separated from their children. It's appalling that we put people in prison (not immigration prisons, but actual prisons) for immigration violations and separate them from their children. Rapists and child molesters get less time in prison for a first offense. She may be an odious person and I wouldn't be friends with her, but her sentence is ridiculous. [/quote].

She could have taken a plea and had a very reduced sentence.  She chose to not admit any wrongdoing, blame it all on her colleagues, and claim personal persecution.  She obviously doesn’t feel remorse and would start another company tomorrow likely using the same tactics.  Yes people like that need to go to prison.  She obviously needs a reality check. [/quote] She doesn't think she was guilty. The same people literally calling for her death are arguing that Adnan Syed is a hero for never admitting wrong-doing. People in this country are allowed to say they are not guilty - even if they are convicted. It's a fundamental right of our criminal justice system. Now, I think she was guilty, and I think she should go to prison. I also think her sentence is horrific. I think a teenage rape victim who drops out of college and loses herself in a predatory relationship and did bad things in tandem with others should have a punishment that fits the crime. [/quote]

The judge noted her refusal to admit wrongdoing was a factor in the sentencing.  Without a strong sentence, there is no reason for her not to pull another con again.  She will also be out in 5-6 years on probation.  I don’t find her backstory to be in any way mitigating. Being a rape or abuse victim does not excuse this fraud and I certainly don’t believe she was doing Sunny’s bidding at all.  In fact she has an extremely privileged background which likely enabled her to fool so many.  It’s sad when any parents of young children go to jail, but she was fully aware of that risk, and obviously her children have a very comfortable life with their father, just another way in which she has secured her future. [/quote]

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