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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][b]Will it help to reduce the "crime surge" if police are allowed to pull drivers over for window tinting?[/b]

I mean, I think Jawando's bill is a bad idea because it will make the roads less safe. However, I don't think it will increase the numbers of bank robberies and homicides.[/quote]

Yes, it will help. Turns out that the type of person that makes illegal modifications to their car is the same type of person who often has outstanding warrants. The same thing goes for enforcing fare evasion.[/quote]

"Hi, I pulled you over because I decided your car windows are too dark, and therefore I want to check whether you have outstanding warrants." is not the kind of thing that increases public trust in the police. Just saying.[/quote]

Except the police officer didn't "decide" the windows were too dark. Legislators did that and if you don't like the law you should speak to your legislator. [/quote]
+1 why do we have these laws if they don't want the police to enforce it. Stupid. Just remove the laws, then.

Some of these things are safety issues.

Working lights, having your lights on in heavy rain, in the dark..

The windshield wiper, glaring high beams, also a safety issue.

Window tinting.. so,  a rapist/thief/car jacker should just ride in a heavy tinted car. Cops won't pull you over for it. Great way to hide.

We have laws for public safety, and Jawando doesn't seem to care about public safety.[/quote]

Yes, they are road safety issues. They are not crime issues. [/quote]

DP.
I suspect that was the PP’s point. We agree those are road safety issues, and Jawando is proposing we simply ignore them. The PP’s argument that Jawando doesn’t care about public safety? This bill demonstrates that.

Montgomery County is also combatting pedestrian deaths with Vision Zero. This bill flies in the face of that effort. [/quote]

It’s does not demonstrate that, if we ignore those things and crime decreases and accidents don’t increase then they were never, ever, ever, really about safety.

Just like speed cameras, are they actually about safety? How many lives were saved due to speed cameras? [/quote]

I’m not comfortable playing “if” with public safety. Jawando, Riemer, and Elrich did that with SROs, essentially risking student safety on a hunch. They were wrong, and SROs are now back. I’m not going to support an “if” hunch that can contribute to pedestrian death and additional traffic accidents.

And speed cameras? They are clear deterrents. We need standards and expectations on roads. That keeps us all safe. [/quote]

Exactly I’m not willing to play what if with lives and since we know these stops hurt lives… well then we agree.

Cops chance procedures all the time. Fleeing felon laws for example. Stop procedures change every year. You’ve just decided to jump on “this is political” game.

The speed cameras have not saved 1 life they are a revenue source, [b]they are a toll.[/b] Call them what they are.
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They are a toll on dangerous drivers who drive 12 mph or more over the speed limit. Fortunately, you can avoid the toll - by not speeding.[/quote]

I agree it’s a toll glad you agree it’s a toll.

It’s not a safety measure though, once again glad we agree.[/quote]

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