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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Why does the Catholic Church attract so many sociopaths. I get the reason gay men or pedophiles used to think the church was good place to hide out. But the sheer sociapathic and violent behavior of nuns and priests towards kids and teens in orphanages,Irish laundries, forced boarding schools—its mind boggling.   Whipping and beating wasn’t enough, they got off on torturing young people.   Anyone who sits in a Catholic Church every Sunday is complicit in this coverup. Still.[/quote]

Why are posters like you sociopaths?

Who put gay and pedophile in a sentence as if they are similar or even related.[/quote]

A person who prays in a Catholic church and tries to live a life like Christ is complicit in child abuse?  Hmm. You need help with your anger and bigotry. [/quote]

If the people of the church all boycatted mass, the church corporation might actually hold themselves accountable to the people of the church. But alas, as long as people show up, then leadership thinks its business as usual.[/quote]

“Mass” is a proper noun that requires capitalization.

Depriving oneself of the spiritual practices and sacraments of the Church as a form of protest is roughly akin to starving oneself to death to protest bad restaurant management. [/quote]

I think systematic child abuse and the unrepentant covering it up is a bit more serious than “bad restaurant management.” If you’re not willing to sacrifice your spiritual comfort for your most vulnerable, what are you willing to sacrifice for? Nothing. And that’s what is going to change in this church- absolutely nothing. Don’t pretend like you’re helpless. You can choose to do something, you just won’t. [/quote]

You fall victim to the argumentative devices of people who hate the Church because they feel bad about their behavior and know that the Church is right when it says they should change their lives.  The “systematic child abuse” you assert is alleged to have occurred, in Baltimore, over many decades. Each and every perpetrator of such abuse committed a grave sin. That sin violated their duties as Church representatives.   Abuse was never a “systematic” Church policy or practice. To the contrary the acts alleged were the defalcations of multiple individuals, against multiple alleged victims, over long periods of time during which the Church carried out incalculable good work, under multiple sets of management. As for “unrepentant covering it up,” if you’d actually read the report, you’d know that in many cases the bishop at the time took steps (similar to those that are essentially automatic now) permanently  to remove individuals from the clerical state. You’d also know that the understanding of abuse, both from a religious standpoint and from a psychological one, evolved over time from a view that abusers had a moral problem amenable to spiritual remedy, to one where they were viewed as psychologically unstable but might be helped by therapy, to the present understanding that persons inclined to abuse are very likely ever to reform and are unsuitable for ministry.

The anti-Catholic buzzwords you use are not borne out by the facts as alleged in the report, and today and for many years the Archdiocese of Baltimore has had an exemplary child protection program.  The Church has done a great deal, and far more than other institutions (particularly those protected by sovereign immunity) to make amends for past issues and prevent future ones.

Finally, the sacraments and other religious mysteries of the Church are not “comfort” items; for Catholics at least they are essential to any spiritual life at all. They do not belong to the Church management. They belong to the People of God.

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Poster, I grew up Catholic. I know of what I speak, so you can lay down your cross. This Church (to include multiple American dioceses and archdioceses) refuses to come clean and in many cases is still actively fighting transparency and gaslighting survivors. These reports keep coming and keep shocking because they are not coming from the people they need to be coming from. If the Church came clean and fully acknowledged the horror of what it has done, it’s be a different story. But here we are, 20+ years later, and still learning more.

This Church has not atoned for its sins. You have not atoned for your part in their sins. I realize it can be uncomfortable to acknowledge you’re one of the “baddies”, but try as you might to excuse your enabling behavior, it can’t be excused. Most people can scratch their spiritual itch without excusing and enabling the abuse of innocent children. [/quote]

How do you know what the previous poster has or has not atoned for?  Why would you assume that all Catholics need to atone for the sins of others within or outside of the church?  To paraphrase Seinfeld “it’s almost like you have no [understanding of Catholicism] whatsoever.”  [/quote]

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