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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I'd say, realistically, and based on the available facts, the crucifiction can be blamed 40% on the Jews and 60% on the Romans.  We can argue a bit on that, but I am particularly  influenced in this conclusion by the offer Pilate made to free one of the prisoners after their condemnation, and the crowd picked Barabbas, a murderer, to be freed and not Jesus. [/quote]
[b]"Facts" by which you mean Scripture.[/b][/quote]

well, yeah, but that's all we got.
And if you quote a Bible verse, it's a fact that was written in the Bible.[/quote]
The Scripture, which was written with the agenda to get people to believe in the divinity of Jesus, does two things here that are problematic:

1. It paints Pontius Pilate in a sympathetic light, as if he wouldn't have crucified Jesus if not for the insistence of the Jewish mob. But "non-Biblical sources portray [Pilate] as a barbarous leader who willfully defied the traditions of the Jewish people he oversaw." [url]https://www.history.com/news/why-pontius-pilate-executed-jesus[/url]

2. It demonizes the Jews by turning them as a whole into a mob that would rather free a murderer than Jesus, as you put it above.

[b]Taking Scripture as fact leads you to say that "based on the available facts, the crucifixion can be blamed 40% on Jews."[/b] There are so many other things from antiquity and the Bible that we are ok with not really knowing for sure (the Flood and the Exodus, for example). We conclude they are complicated by other historical records and we are largely ok with taking them on faith as important stories about morality, regardless of the "facts" behind them. So to take the scripture of the crucifixion as "fact" because "that's all we got" when we are willing to put so many other things in the realm of we-don't-know-for-sure is just so incredibly problematic.[/quote]

That was just my personal rough estimate. Of course, the percentages can be argued about.  And it is of course problematic since we don't know for sure. Probably a billion Christians believe this though.[/quote]
I think you missed my point? Let me try again. I'm [i]not[/i] interested in arguing percentages and I don't think "that's all we got" and "a billion Christians believe this" are good reasons to perpetuate the idea of scripture as "fact." OP asked why Jesus was crucified under Roman law. Laying "blame" (of any percentage) at anyone's feet was not the question. It's a legal and historical question, which has been answered by a few people (blasphemy and treason or insulting the head of state) without citing scripture which scapegoats Jews and washes Roman (Pilate's) hands of his death.[/quote]

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