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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]SS has been in decline since the 80s, except the 2000s real estate boom probably put a band aid on it. [/quote]

The only thing declining since the 90’s is the murder rate[/quote]

That may be true nationally, and it might even be true for Montgomery County, but residents of DTSS got together a few weeks ago to examine data and found violent crimes have genuinely surged in the area. Lack of police presence is a big part of it. Despite promises to increase the presence in DTSS, I've seen no evidence of it. I literally watched a woman in a big pickup truck drive THROUGH the farmer's market yesterday, moving two "gates" to avoid going around a single additional block, and cops were nowhere to be found. [/quote]

MCPD is very understaffed and they are struggling to bring in new recruits, so officers will be hard to find right now. This is coming after a council push to limit police interactions with the public. (See council task force recommendations to reduce police in Wheaton and Silver Spring by 50%.) The tide seems to be turning away from the council’s strong anti-police sentiments of the last couple of years, but it is going to take time to get the department back to its former numbers. [/quote]

The increased availability of guns is a big issue and there is no real strategy to address it besides apparently catching them randomly during traffic stops and putting out press releases about it. I don't have any faith that will reduce the am on it but of guns out there.[/quote]

If you are concerned about guns, then speak out against Jawando and Mink’s current bill. MCPD finds guns on traffic stops, including the type of stops Mink and Jawando want to end. Is it enough? Of course not, especially with ghost guns flooding the area. But it’s something. Also look into stricter penalties for having guns. Police can arrest, but offenders are out almost immediately.

Addressing guns will take more officers, more support for officers, and more of a targeted effort from the council. [/quote]

They need to do so many stops to catch a very small number of guns. No I don't think this is a good use of resources. This is a supply issue. You can lock up someone for having a gun, and get that one gun off the street. With the amount if guns out there the impact of this is minimal.[/quote]

Whatever you think of these traffic stops, bills like this send the wrong message. Criminals clearly understand that moco is on their side, and I think that’s an accurate assessment. [/quote]

This is an absurd excuse for constantly detaining people of color. Please stop with the histrionics. It's pretty clear you have no actual arguments.[/quote]

You live in a make-believe world. Stop listening to the people who profit off selling the idea that police constantly victimize black people. Police pull people off who are committing offenses, and if they comply with police directions, things almost always turn out fine. Are there exceptions? Sure. But they're exceedingly rare, and happen to people of all races. For example, where are the protests over this event:

https://www.sltrib.com/news/2023/03/03/officer-involved-shooting/

The sad thing is all this nonsense only hurts black people. Black people are disproportionately victimized by these crimes, they own homes in SS whose values don't keep up with Bethesda because of crime, and they own restaurants and other businesses in SS that are affected when people stop wanting to go outside. All because people in the woke mob are so intent on protecting criminals. The criminals express their deepest gratitude for caring so much about their ability to commit carjackings and other crimes without fear of having to do any serious jail time, if they're even caught at all due to a decimated police force.[/quote]
You all refuse to recognize that police killings of unarmed people (predominantly Black men) are the tip of the iceberg when it comes to abusive policing. You haven't been stopped multiple times while doing nothing illegal, so it doesn't bother you. The real problem here is your inability to empathize with other people. As long as you keep discussing them out of hand, you'll continue to be frustrated as the so called "make believe world" that is very real to many people.
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That's not happening in Montgomery County though.  Officer involved shootings have been justified.  Every suspect has been armed.   And/or beating the absolute **** out of a police officer.

If you could prove people are getting stopped when they haven't done anything illegal, people might listen to you.   But there is zero evidence of that here in MoCo.  This is not 1990.[/quote]

Robert White was not armed or beating the sh$t out of anyone.

There have absolutely been allegations of MCPD officers stopping people (as a traffic stop or otherwise) who are not committing crimes. I don't know how you say with certainty that it's not happening. For example, this whole ordeal.was caught on camera: https://www.washlaw.org/montgomery-county/

Here are some more stories: https://www.instagram.com/p/COgeX3kBMsJ/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

https://www.instagram.com/p/COgeX3kBMsJ/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

https://www.instagram.com/p/COl5G5NhToN/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=

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Here's the thing: white people get pulled over too for illegitimate reasons. It's happened to me regularly -- not even a warning or ticket despite being pulled over about a dozen times in the past ten years. Police aren't going to be perfect. The question is whether you'd rather have a society in which lawlessness prevails because criminals know that there aren't enough police, and even if they are caught, there won't be any real punishment, or whether you'd rather live in a safe place. Most Americans prioritize safety which is why this is a losing issue for democrats, and it's also why people will pay a hefty premium to live in places that are perceived to be safer. The woke mob isn't doing any favors to all of the black people who are victimized by crime, who live in areas that no one else wants to live in because of crime, and who can't have decent retail in their neighborhoods because of crime. Policing has come a long way (especially with body cameras), so if there is true misconduct, it's harder for police to get away with it. [/quote]

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