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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]There are tons of guns in Switzerland too. Shooting is their national sport and almost everyone has one. You don’t hear about gun violence because there’s not much violence in Switzerland generally. Criminals and mentally disturbed people are locked up where they can’t hurt anyone. We tolerate violence in America for some reason and we put the rights of people who break the law above the rights of the law abiding people.[/quote]

This is untrue.  The legal regime surrounding guns in Switzerland is very strict and people who have guns must be adequately trained, insured, and registered.  It’s not a wacky free for all like in the US.[/quote]

“Whacky free for all.”

Do you have any idea how many gun laws apply just in DC, not even including the federal ones?

I do.

DC has at least the following gun laws:

1. All firearms must be registered. 
2. Unlawful to possess unregistered firearm. 
3. Unlawful to possess ammunition without registered firearm. 
4. Lengthy list of banned long guns by name and/or characteristics. 
5. Specified list of handguns allowed -- no "Saturday Night Specials."
6. Unlawful to carry firearm openly. 
7. Unlawful to carry pistol without a license.
8. Training with actual target exam required for license. 
9. Places where licensed pistol can be carried highly restricted. 
10. Ammunition carried with licensed pistol extremely limited. 
11. No open or vehicular long gun carry. 
12. No possession of firearms or ammunition by minors, prohibited persons (felons, drug users, violent mentally ill).
13. No private sale of firearms.
14. Prepurchase safety training. 
15. Background check on all purchases. 
16. Longstanding (at least the 1970's) limit to 10 round magazine capacity. 
17. Negligent firearm use unlawful 
18. Criminal firearm use unlawful. 
19. Use of firearm in crime of violence, drug crime, etc., unlawful.

I’ll agree it’s “whacky,” given how absolutely useless all these laws have proven, but it’s no “free for all.”
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Why are you ignoring the fact that DC does not have closed borders and other states fail in both regulation and enforcement of guns.  It doesn’t matter what a single state does with no adequate federal regime.[/quote]

Why are you ignoring the fact that interstate sale of handguns except through a federally licensed dealer is already unlawful, as is sale to or possession of firearms by felons and other prohibited persons?  And your “closed borders” admits that absent some kind of magic force field around the entire country, nothing can stop firearms from coming into one place from another if people are willing to risk the penalties associated with that. Nowhere has “closed borders.”  Not even North Korea. And certainly not the US. [/quote]

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