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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Technically no, but it’s what people are referring to when they talk about CRT in k-12 education.

A lot of parents don’t think public schools should teach students to be “agents of social change”.   They expect their kids to be taught skills like math and reading, and facts like science and social studies.  Creating social change agents seems outside of that mission.  [/quote]

Schools have always had the responsibility of creating good citizens.

The question is, do good citizens support and [/b]improve society[b] or are good citizens change agents who, as another poster put it, dismantle the patriarchy?

I know what my answer is.  And some posters have stated or implied their answer.  [/quote]

“Improving society” is tearing down racism. 
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When will we know when this has been achieved?[/quote]

Where there is more equality in outcomes.

I.e. in incomes, wealth, health, rates of incarceration, etc.

I understand everyone freaks out over the “equality of outcomes” phrasing in a school context but in the broader context, so long as average white income is x% higher average black income, women earn 70 cents on the dollar as men, life expectancies and incarceration rates are wildly divergent … when those thing are more equalized, we have achieved equity. [/quote]

So communism? When in history has their been a perfect equilibrium between all people in all things? Haven’t their always been rich and poor? Remedial learners and advanced learners? I don’t understand “equality of outcomes”, because it just seems like an unachievable platitude being used to end things like race neutral testing for advanced public schools like TJ, to end ap classes, to end gifted and talented, and essentially to water down academic vigor and promote grade inflation merely for the sake of getting better graduation statistics for certain populations. I mean who needs the most qualified engineers, right? And then heaven forbid anyone dare discuss “equity” efforts with any objectivity. No. No you can’t do that. You’ll be branded an outcast for even questioning things and possible counterintuitive impacts.

I mean, as another example, don’t discuss the fact that teachers are getting increasingly burnt out because traditional means of discipline is less enforced (less suspension and expulsion) and day a kid who punches another, or repeatedly disrupts learning in a classroom wil be kept there, or face some “restorative justice” but allowed to remain in the class or their victim in perpetuity. No we can’t talk about the treble effects of that progressive policy.

No, we’re all in this grand experiment together.[/quote]

No, not communism. No one is suggesting government own the means of production. Jesus. Were you born stupid or are you just poorly educated?[/quote]

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