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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I taught my kids the sounds letters make starting when they were one or two.  It was as basic as teaching them that's a picture of a dog, that's an A, A says ahhh.  By the time they got to Kindergarten they could read simple books. Learning how letters and words (and numbers) work was just part of what we talked about everyday.  They are not geniuses, probably about IQ 120 or so.  I'm not sure why everybody doesn't do this.  Even if your child struggles with dyslexia or some other learning difficulty at least you would know that early and could provide extra help.[/quote]

Some people have multiple small children and jobs and parents who need help, etc etc. [/quote]

My life is equally busy and I have two children but it didn't keep me from interacting with them about letters, words, numbers, and reading to and with them everyday.  Not acceptable to neglect your child's education yourself and then blame the public schools when they struggle.[/quote]
Ok, great. But the reality is that many parents don't. So what is your solution? We cannot legislate parenting, but we CAN legislate that curriculums used in schools are evidence-based and aligned to science and doing, y'know, their basic function of educating students. If they're not then what is their purpose?[/quote]

Ha yeah, I didn't teach my kids to read because I thought "they will learn that in school." And they did. Sadly they did Lucy Calkins, but they were in the lucky 2/3 of kids who still learn to read despite balanced literacy.[/quote]

What percentage of students do you think will learn to read now that schools are using whole group phonics lessons? Do you expect 100%?  90? What is acceptable?  66% is not, so what do you expect now?[/quote]

I’m not sure. You can look at what the scores were before they started doing balanced literacy though. I would expect they would bounce back to that at least.  [/quote]

Ok, here:
https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/ltt/reading/student-group-scores/?age=9

Since 1971 (phonics) reading scores on the NAEP (Nations report card on reading) have increased by 12% for third graders and 5% for 13 year olds.

I think phonics is the way our language mostly works and should be taught, but my point is that people spin data to prove their own points.

Every time a school system gets a new program someone makes money if it isn't Lucy Caulkins, then it is Wilson or orton-gillingham (ISME).

The hatred for Lucy Caulkins is kind of ridiculous because this is just the way school systems work: new curriculum every 5 years and someone is always having to prove kids are failing to prove their curriculum is better.

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those aren’t too helpful because they don’t show a before and after of the use of balanced literacy. You do get these stats in this APS report. They are sobering, particularly the stats on the racial disparities.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/arlington/Board.nsf/files/BZW3SX0855CF/$file/ELAAC%20Executive%20Summary%20March%202021.pdf[/quote]

Gotcha but was that data taken from the 2019-2020 school year? It is interesting that they don’t mention the year, but have a huge disclaimer on the paper that covid has made things worse.  Again, just pointing out that data can be manipulated. Phonics is good.  FYI the person who was key to bringing phonics 95 to Arlington left mid year last year to join the company. Fundations i/s better.[/quote]

I'm really irritated that I can't find this information since I am pretty sure I saw it before. But I think those numbers are comparisons of APS reading scores since the implementation of balanced literacy, which has been around for decades and I assume APS adopted it long ago. At a minimum a phonics-heavy approach hasn't been around for decades. Here is a letter from the Fairfax NAACP addressing the issue and they say that phonics hasn't been taught in FCPS for at least 35 years.

https://www.baconsrebellion.com/app/uploads/2022/07/httpswww.fairfaxnaacp.orgwp-contentuploads202104FCPS-Literacy-Letter-April-2021.pdf[/quote]

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