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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I should preface this by saying that I'm not a pro-Russian troll.  The invasion of Ukraine is both unprovoked and has led to an unending stream of Russian atrocities.  I would love to see Russia pushed out of both Eastern Ukraine and Crimea.

But I'm getting confused about Ukraine's prognosis and our own objectives.   Ukraine has failed to reclaim any significant territory since Kharkiv in the Spring.  They lack the manpower to conduct the urban warfare required to push Russia from its defensive positions.   From everything I've read the HIMARS long-range missiles donated by the US, while allowing spectacular strikes behind Russian lines, are not likely to substantially affect Russia's long-term defensive capabilities.   So we have a long-term (maybe permanent) stalemate.  Except it's only a stalemate because of constant infusions of weapons from NATO countries.

So are you supportive of a permanent lien on the US military budget to keep the war as a stalemate?  Is that even a moral choice, given the civilian destruction that will result?  Should we be pressing instead for some negotiated swap of territory for peace?   Or is it better to keep on present course, checkmating Russia by proxy even at a cost to Ukraine's civilian population and military?[/quote]

unfortunately at this point all Ukrainians hate the Russians with the kind of passion that will take generations to die away.  This war will probably smolder for 100 years.  You cannot awake such passions and expect peace again in your lifetime.[/quote]

You say this yet a similar emotion rose in Chechnya after the war, and remember Chechnya suffered more than Ukraine did as of now.   You would have thought the hatred would smolder but it did not.  Chechens may dislike both regimes but they have no particular problem with ethnic Russians. So, I think that under the right circumstances, the hatred would be contained to those who inherited it through their DNA and that involves mostly Western and Poland-oriented Ukrainians, who are a minority.

The fact of the matter is that both countries are neighbors and share a border. This will not change.  They will have to find some way to coexist and they will.  [/quote]

Putin can withdraw to the pre-2014 border and the countries can again coexist. [/quote]

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