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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]College prof here. College enrollments are set to drop off a cliff, but the elite schools will be just as hard to get in as ever. It's already a great time to get deals on lower-profile colleges, though. Your kid can get a fantastic and cheap(er) education at a smaller SLAC, and you can bargain for tuition breaks, too. Just apply to several and then pit them against each other. They are so desperate right now because they are tuition-dependent. Ask me how I know...

https://www.chronicle.com/article/the-shrinking-of-higher-ed[/quote]

This is behind the paywall so I can't read it. But those "smaller SLACs with a tuition break" - what type of college are we talking about? I presume this is not the Amherst / Williams / Pomona highly selective college but is it a place you'd actually want your kid to attend?[/quote]

Seriously? Folks roll their eyes when they hear of the "no name" SLAC I attended then occasionally say "I've never heard of that." From that college, which offered merit for this working class kid, I attended an Ivy for grad. No one there seemed super focused on where anyone went to undergrad.

Frankly, it is a little sad when someone cleaves onto their UG Ivy or Little Ivy degree decades later. You worked, had a family, etc, but you still need to invoke that UG degree for status. [/quote]

I went to a school that has been T30 for the past 25+ years and still gets a lot of “never heard of it”

People truly aren’t too bright out there in the real world[/quote]

You don't care what some average not-too-bright person in the real world thinks about it, you care what a hiring manager for a prestigious / rewarding / upwardly mobile job thinks about it. That hiring manager will have heard of Williams or Amherst, but if that manager has not heard of Bates or Carleton then that decision isn't going to go well if your kid went there and is competing against the "brand name" grads. [/quote]

So hiring managers care more about whether an applicant went to a brand name school than an individual's actual qualifications and personal qualities?  Uh, okay. [/quote]

A hiring manager for a prestigious / rewarding / upwardly mobile job absolutely does. They regard school pedigree as a proxy for qualifications and personal qualities. And let's face it, a new grad doesn't have a lot of "actual qualifications" they can demonstrate, so it's not completely wrong to sort by school prestige.[/quote]

The best hiring managers know how to recognize actual talent, rather than rely on school reputations.[/quote]

Well so long as you can guarantee that your kid will ALWAYS be evaluated by THE BEST HIRING MANAGERS, no worries, go ahead and send him to Arizona State.  :roll: [/quote]

One of the most successful people I know in NYC got his BA from...Arizona State.[/quote]

I know a few successful people who have degrees from colleges that are basically open admission. I know a lot more successful people who have degrees from schools that are typically considered 'good' [/quote]

Interesting. I've lived in three major cities on the East coast and each one is a mix. There are successful folks who attended "good" schools and others who attended a range of lesser known state flagships and directional universities for undergrad. I also know folks whom I wouldn't necessarily call successful - gainfully employed but probably not at the levels and/or in the positions they probably thought they would hold when attending their good schools. Sometimes the traits that enabled them to get admitted to a selective school may hinder their success in the work place. [/quote]

Pull up the website of any company you can think of and look at the bio page for the executive team. Which is more likely, an Ivy league BA/BS or Central Florida? Statistically, the numbers should be similar considering Central Florida has 61,000 undergrads. For some reason, they aren't [/quote]

DP. This is a bad example because Central Florida wasn’t even founded until the ‘60’s, and most CEOs are older.  Try Texas A&M.

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/articles/where-the-top-fortune-500-ceos-attended-college

While no individual school can lay claim to launching the careers of these CEOs, Boston College and Texas A&M University tie with the University of Pennsylvania in producing four CEOs in charge of top 100 companies on the Fortune 500 list, the most of any other colleges. Graduates of Boston College head up CVS Health, American International Group Inc., Abbott and The TJX Companies Inc.; Texas A&M alumni lead Exxon Mobil Corp., Cigna, Phillips 66 and Humana; and University of Pennsylvania grads helm Comcast, Oracle, Travelers and Tesla Inc.[/quote]

Texas A&M has competitive admissions[/quote]

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