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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Why do these states want to destroy their maternal healthcare systems?[/quote]

It’s biblical. I kid you not. Due to Eve’s original sin, “I will sharply increase the pain of childbirth.  In pain shall you bring forth children”.  Genesis 3:16. I was raised with this ash*t.

In the Cristofascist state Of the American Taliban, you  have to live out Handmaid Amy and I Like Beers! belief that childbirth is supposed to be traumatic and painful.  You in pain yet?

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I’m the OP of this thread and thank you. I grew up in this, too. It’s like none of these people understand how visceral is the misogyny among forced birthers, and I can read easily the subtle “oof, you guys are over the top” tone in some replies (not so much in this thread, but definitely in others). Truly, it’s almost clownish how much they hate women and want to see them punished for existing and they don’t really try to hide it.

The whole forced birther movement exists to punish women, because it is rooted in a world in which women are inherently worth less than men. The cruelty is the point. [/quote]

Oh yeah. I grew up in the South and stumbled into a woman's studies minor in college. Which impacted the rest of my life so much. I married someone who considered me a true equal. Was a full partner in raising kids. Supported my career as much as I supported his, etc. Which is a different thread.  (And, BTW, why College terrifies Cons so much).

But as part of one class, we looked at how deliveries with no pain meds are the gold standard.  The choice of  “good mothers” who want what’s best for their children.  And women who want an epidural or need a C-section had a “less than birth”.  And in the South, I certainly had women become uncomfortable and say they were sorry that I had a C-section. I actually had people ask if I was I upset I had not had a “real birth experience”. (Nope.  I mean, I came home with a beautiful baby, so no regrets here).

That was about 1990. More tha 30 years later. And 20 years after I gave birth, we can do amazing new things with pain relief,  nerve stimulators, etc FFS, we have CRISPER and the  COVID shot technology.  But there has not been a single advancement pain relief in childcare. Because having laboring women suffer is part of Gods plan. If men gave birth, the technology would exis5 for it to be painless— and timed tp avoid major sporting events.

Today, you still have L&D nurses who try to talk women out of pain meds and epidurals. C“You can do it. Just a few more minutes”) .  Because a “good mother” ( wants a medication free delivery.

A god fearing woman accepts the original sin of Eve and ( in my moms words) “offers it up”.  SMDH[/quote]

I don't know.  I gave birth three times and all three times not only was I offered an epidural multiple times, but there was a definite push to have it earlier rather than later. I haven't at all experienced any pressure to avoid medication.[/quote]

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