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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The Ladder is the publicly posted times sheet broken out by age/gender/stroke. Its so you know what time you need to be selected for A meets.

What does your summer swim team call the official list of times?[/quote]

Ours doesn't post since some of the times used from B meets are not "real" times.  B meets tend of have officials that don't properly call DQs.  So if a kid is not legal and they see it that basically highlight that fake legal time as something not to consider.  I have seen it happen.  I saw a breaststroke event a kid did butterfly kicks 1/3 of the pool and it didn't get called and was a "legal" time that was far from legal.  You can't put that in the ladder it would ruin your seeding. We use A meet times as our main time and try to put in legit B times.[/quote]

Is that NVSL? One of the reason that volunteers get burned out is that meets (including B meets) need qualified stroke and turn judges as well as referees and starters and three timers per lane so that the times count. If only A meet times counted, most of the kids at our pool would never get a time or a chance to improve because each age group has way more swimmers than A meets have slots. [/quote]

THIS. B meet times absolutely count and the entire point is to improve times in order to make the cut for A meets. The cut is not subjective, it’s the top posted times, based upon “the ladder” or official times which all these “experienced swim moms” claim not to know about.

Our summer swim team has a huge mandatory volunteer requirement that you cannot pay your way out of. [b]We have (no kidding) 10 “board members” who do not have to volunteer at meets because they are exempt.[/b] They just stand around in their cliques and chit chat while the rest of us sweat and run ourselves ragged.[/quote]

That would infuriate me. We have team reps who end up showing up for setup and staying through take down working as hard as anyone. We don't have a volunteer requirement both to encourage families to get their kids swimming at meets and because we usually can get enough volunteers even, but having them and then people exempting themselves would never fly at our pool. [/quote]

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