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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]In Deuteronomy 21 and the Quran, victorious Jewish and Muslim men can take captive women as their wives/slaves. [b]Yet you guys are obsessing over whether or not Mary consented. Weird.[/b] [/quote]

Believing a supernatural force could impregnate a human female without sexual intercourse is what's weird.  Of course women who have found themselves in these circumstances all over the world have had to make up such explanations.  You know what the penalty was for being an unwed mother in those days, right? [/quote]

[b]Women may make up stories to explain pregnancy, but their children don’t become the founder of the world’s largest religion.[/b]
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that happened many centuries after Jesus's birth - and to be frank, Paul was the founder of the religion, and the Emperor Constantine gave it its big break -- for reasons of his own which had nothing to do with devotion to Jesus. [/quote]

No. Christ is the church. [/quote]

No serious person who has read on the [b]arly [/b]church can possibly believe this. I'd love to hear your thinking in support of this baseless statement.[/quote]

early[/quote]

[b]Members of the Body of Christ are joined to Christ in salvation (Ephesians 4:15-16).

Members of the Body of Christ follow Christ as their Head (Ephesians 1:22-23).

Members of the Body of Christ are the physical representation of Christ in this world. The Church is the organism through which Christ manifests His life to the world today.

Members of the Body of Christ are indwelt by the Holy Spirit of Christ (Romans 8:9).

Members of the Body of Christ possess a diversity of gifts suited to particular functions (1 Corinthians 12:4-31). “The body is a unit, though it is made up of many parts; and though all its parts are many, they form one body. So it is with Christ” (verse 12).

Members of the Body of Christ share a common bond with all other Christians, regardless of background, race, or ministry. “There should be no division in the body, but . . . its parts should have equal concern for each other” (1 Corinthians 12:25).

Members of the Body of Christ are secure in their salvation (John 10:28-30). For a Christian to lose his salvation, God would have to perform an “amputation” on the Body of Christ!

Members of the Body of Christ partake of Christ’s death and resurrection (Colossians 2:12).

Members of the Body of Christ share Christ’s inheritance (Romans 8:17).

Members of the Body of Christ receive the gift of Christ’s righteousness (Romans 5:17).

What Christian denomination are you?[/quote][/b]

Thanks for proving my point. Christianity was founded by Paul[/quote]

Paul was originally antagonistic toward the Christians and worked hard to “destroy” the church.  Thus both Paul and the book of Acts insist strongly that he started out not as a follower of Jesus but as a persecutor of his followers.

Prior to Paul, there were Christians who were already making bold claims about Christ.  Where did these Christians come from?  Obviously from another founder of Christianity.

If Paul had founded Christianity, there would have been no one for him to persecute prior to his conversion.  But he was persecuting Christians.  They, therefore, had to exist.

There is no doubt that Peter became dominant as the leader of the church early in the Christian movement.  We have scores of passages that talk about Peter, his involvement with Jesus during his life, and his leadership of the church after his death.

But none of these mean he invented or founded Christianity. [/quote]

of course followers of Jesus existed, but those few wanted it to stay within the Jewish faith.  Paul took the word to the gentiles.  It's no surprise that all the scripture you cited above was written by Paul.  This really isn't even debatable.  Of course Paul is the founder of the Christian faith as we know it. [/quote]

There’s no “of course” and “we know.” “It isn’t debatable?” Do you hear yourself? You are arrogantly and erroneously declaring things that are untrue as fact. What church, denomination, or Christian sect do you belong to that teaches these things? [/quote]

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