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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It's simple math,  30,000 HS in the US, 20,000 ivy seats, so even if only the val's are considered there are still 1/3 rejected.

Add in all the sal's, athletes, and other types of applicants and you realize even as the top student at your HS, admission to a top 20 school is incredibly good fortune (assuming you want that).

There is no shame in a top student not getting admitted, no flaw in application, nothing other than bad luck of a sort (even though painful).

Top students who have been rejected are still top students, with much to be proud of, and as every study shows, highly likely to remain successful in life regardless of their alma mater!

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My kid was very disappointed in not getting into HYPSM. I tried to foam the runways, but there was no way to prevent the profound disappointment. The kids from my kid's high school who got into HYPSM are all minorities with excellent stats, ECs. Sorry if that sounds racist, it's just a fact, like it or not. DC is going to a terrific school, not as elite as desired, but that's life. DC's older sibling went to a HYPSM college, and DC has even better grades, etc. than older DC. BUT older DC is 10 years older, and that decade really changed things in college admissions. [/quote]

You’re not sorry.

URM populations at these schools is at the high end around 20% and in some cases, closer to 15%. Making the claim that URMs are the ones taking your precious kid’s spot is just ludicrous. I’m sure you know this but made the claim anyway. [/quote]

You people do realize the M in URM stands for minority, right?  Minority means a small percentage of the Country’s overall population - probably less than 20% of the country’s overall population. So if a college has a higher percentage of students in a specific minority than the overall country’s population of said minority, it’s doing a phenomenal job at bringing in URMs. See how that works?  A minority of one type in the general public does not mean it should be a majority in a college unless that college is specifically for that minority (see. HBCU). [/quote]

Not sure what your point is. The fact that they are at 20% is why it is ludicrous to point the finger at minority admissions as the reason why your kid don’t get in. There’s another 80% of the student body that isn’t URM. [/quote]

DP. Just in case you really don’t get this — the point is not how many kids attend, but rather what are the chances if any one kid being admitted. Fewer URM students apply and they are admitted at a much higher rate, and with lower credentials, than an equally situated non-URM student (i.e., non-Recruited athlete, non-legacy).  The list pp provided from MD is exactly what one would expect. Harvard will take — 10/10 times — the URM with the #9 class rank over the similarly situated non-URM #1 student. Is the #9 kid qualified to do well at Harvard? Sure. You can argue about whether it’s fair and the right thing to do or not, but it’s just a fact. [/quote]

So what? There’s nothing in that to suggest that they get in instead of your kid. You posit a scenario that is nice for you to believe but has no connection to reality. If they want your kid they’ll take them and if they don’t it just as easily (and by the numbers much more likely) because some other kid in some other school was more interesting than the URM in your school. I understand the great white urge to scapegoat URMs but it’s just not reality.

Your kid didn’t get in because of some lax player from Connecticut or a donor kid from NYC or a double legacy from Florida. But yeah keep blaming the 20%. [/quote]

+1 Well said[/quote]

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