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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Where you unaware of the significant increase in applications since COVID? Did you think TO would have no effect on the applicant pool? Did anyone (e.g., college counselor) discuss yield projection for perceived "safety" schools? Do you consider the math/odds in applying to a school that accepts less than 20% of applicants? Did you discuss any of these issues with your kids before they applied? Or is it something else?

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So you acknowledge the system is broken and no one should expect it to be logical and therefore they shouldn’t complain?  Applicants can and should be angry.  It’s ridiculous that there’s no reliable way to predict chances of admission and people are right to be aggravated with a needlessly opaque and Byzantium system that protects and enriches these “non-profits.”  [/quote]

1) The system is not "broken."

2) The process and the results ARE logical, for the current climate - you just don't like that.

3) Why in the world would you think that you are entitled to be able to "predict chances of admission?" And even if you could, if you're looking at top schools with acceptance rates in single digits - can you not understand that that applies to you, too. THAT IS your "chance of admission."

4) [b]Please explain how you come to regard this as a "needlessly opaque and Byzantium system that protects and enriches non-profits." I'm open to hearing a credible explanation of this, but doubt you have one.[/b][/quote]

There are entire books on this very topic that explain why the process is broken and arbitrary. It is not remotely transparent. And is focused on the benefit of the school, not the families.[/quote]

What is completely transparent is that there are more than 150,000 students who score 1400 and up on the SAT each year. Over 200k score 1350 and up-- the top 10 percent. There are not enough seats in the Ivy League for all of them.

When will you people understand that even if you were given exact test scores and GPA cutoffs, there would still be little guarantee?[/quote]

Any idea on how many score 1500 and up?[/quote]

NP: difficult to tell because the College Board stop publishing data for 1500+. However, the number of students that score 1500+ has significantly increased over the last 10 years. Here is an older article that explains: https://www.compassprep.com/great-to-good-the-diluted-value-of-high-test-scores/

[quote]With the release of class of 2018 results from both ACT and College Board, we can now say definitively that students saw the most competitive scores ever. In the last 10 years, the number of students scoring 1400–1600 on the SAT or 31–36 on the ACT doubled.

In just the last 5 years, [b]the number of students scoring 1500–1600 or 34–36 has doubled[/b].[/quote]

I think MIT is correct that SAT math scores matter to establish a baseline to determine if students are ready for high-level math instruction. However, as the article explains, differentiating between scores over 1400+/31+ doesn't mean as much as parents think and schools know this (they have the data to compare performance). [/quote]

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