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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]This thread only makes me realize how 2024 is a near cert Democratic loss. None of these alternative names have any shot at winning the presidency. Biden was the Hail Mary because there was *no one else* and now with Biden increasingly gone, there is *no one else*. Most of these names are reflections of the bubble you live in, not a pragmatic understanding of the nature of mass appeal and national campaigns. 
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+1  Biden was the lowest common denominator candidate and wow did the democratic machine lurch into panicked overdrive when it appeared Bernie was gaining momentum and had a legitimate shot at the nomination.  The machine selected Biden and there’s no way he’s going to make it to 2024 so yea, that bench is empty of national level candidates.[/quote]

Jesus, I cannot with you people. Bernie is not and has never been a Democrat. So it should surprise exactly no one that the Democratic "machine" worked to boost Democratic candidates. And then there is the continuing belief that progressives are this enormous block in politics. They aren't. That is why Bernie lost twice.[/quote]

Eh, fair enough but he did run in the democratic primary.  Progressives are a fringe within the party but why are the moderates so scared of them?[/quote]
Because we’re interested in winning elections?[/quote]

Well that’s a stupid strategy because mainstream dems and independents reject the progressive BS. [/quote]
You misunderstand. Anyone who is interested in winning general elections should be scared of the fringe progressives.[/quote]

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