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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]All athletes have to get into Harvard just like everyone else. All of them.  They don't get a pass.[/quote]

Exactly. The student doesn’t get in because he is athlete. The athlete gets in because he is student. I know 4 recent “recruited” athlete. Would they have gotten in without the sport at 3% admission rate? But were they qualified—absolutely. Every one was 1580 or above and top grades. It might also be the same with legacy, don’t have any personal experience. But at least with athlete, everyone has chance to be that. [/quote]

Cute story. We don't need to speculate or use personal experience. We have six years of data from Harvard and it is unambiguous.  Admitted athletes have markedly lower academic ratings than other admitted students and, but for their athlete status, would not have been admitted.

I truly don't understand why people can't admit this. They have no problem saying someone was admitted only because they were a URM or their parents donated a building. You got in because you were an athlete and you probably would not have gotten in otherwise.[/quote]

Yes, this is pretty clear in the data.  On the other hand it is also likely true (haven't seen it measured, but would love to see evidence pro/con) that athletic success is predictive of life success.  It's basically concrete evidence of achievement in a competitive environment, requiring consistent, dedicated effort.[/quote]

Ah, the eternal fallback, athletes are a special kind of person. because people who excel at anything else don't need to put in consistent, dedicated effort.

Maybe athletes succeed later in life because they're constantly given handouts - athletes from rich, white backgrounds prefer hiring people who are like them. [/quote]

Athletes as a group are more diverse than the general student population, but as a group they also have better outcomes. You don't seem to know much about the studies of outcomes of athletes and their admissions profiles. [/quote]

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