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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Moth Catholic Churches do a pretty good job of not being too overtly political in my view.  Individual Catholics aside, I am talking about the priests and the general parish culture.

By the way, PP, Jesus said "render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.”  Christianity was and is revolutionary.  But "political and revolutionary"?  Nope.  Go read also the discussion between Jesus and Pilate in the Gospel of John.

If you want to be political, then be political.  But don't make your politics a false idol or twist Our Lord into some sort of proto-marxist.  [/quote]
Acts of the Apostles Ch2:
44All who believed were together and had all things in common; 45they would sell their possessions and goods and distribute the proceeds* to all, as any had need

Isn't that Marxism? 🤔 Oh I will wait for the inevitable 'but but but that's different' which is always the go to for the Christian conservative.[/quote]

I don't recall anything in that passage about them giving all of their money to Rome and then vaguely hoping Rome would use it wisely.

In any event this is a long debate but we are Catholic.  Catholicism has a pretty clear and long intellectual tradition.  Was every Catholic intellectual from the founding of the Church until the development of Marxist doctrine just totally wrong?  That seems odd.  What about all the encyclicals specifically addressing socialist doctrine.  Were they all wrong too?  [/quote]

So you voluntarily live a very humble life because you donate so much money to the poor? Jesus was pretty clear several times about rich people needing to give away money and possessions.

The Catholic Church has amassed massive amounts of wealth. Is that what Jesus wanted? Not sure they are coming from an unbiased perspective.[/quote]

A rich you ruler came to Jesus and asked him for advice. “Looking at him, Jesus showed love to him and said to him, ‘One thing you lack: go and sell all you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.’ But he was deeply dismayed by these words, and he went away grieving; for he was one who owned much property.” (Mark 10:21-22)

This is taken out of context and applied to all people by those who like to use Jesus as an example of a socialist, and it’s wrong.

By asking the rich young ruler to give away his possessions, Jesus wasn’t setting a precedent for future disciples to follow. Poverty and voluntary vagrancy were not prerequisites for discipleship. Jesus wanted to demonstrate that money and possessions, like earthly power and influence, can become distractions and even obstacles that prevent us from truly knowing God or allowing Him to rule in our lives. Wealth and possessions are not condemned here. Paul later wrote to Timothy that, “the love of money is a root of all sorts of evil, and some by longing for it have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs” (1 Timothy 6:10). Jesus also said that “where your treasure is, there your heart will be also" (Matthew 6:21).

At times, Jesus instructed His disciples to travel light, give away their possessions, (Luke 10:4, Luke 12:33-34) and trust Him to provide for their every need (Luke 12:22-29, Philippians 4:19). This wasn’t an excuse to live reckless and irresponsible lives or to squander their money. Jesus instructed us to be wise stewards of the life, the gifts, and the time He has given. This includes our money and possessions. Jesus ultimately taught His followers to place their hope, trust, and treasure in the eternal rewards of obedience and the riches of knowing Him (Colossians 2:2-3), not accumulated wealth, power, or earthly possessions (1 Timothy 6:17-19).

Jesus didn’t want people to give away everything and plunge themselves into poverty. Another example of why churches that practice social justice bend the life of Jesus into their mold of what is right and do not actually even practice what they preach. Jesus was/is only interested in His Father’s kingdom and His Father’s rule. Anyone that tells you differently is a user or being used. Hard pass. [/quote]

yay, the prosperity gospel to teach us that Jesus really wants his preachers to have gulf streams and that one mansion simply isn't sufficient [/quote]

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