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All of these human failings have been around since humans have been around, but they have all taken on a new depth and breadth:

#1  What is on TV now, versus the 1950s?  What is on the cover of magazines, in movies?  What about rates of divorce, suicide, drug and alcohol abuse, child abuse, child pornography, pornography use, out of wedlock births, abortion, sexual assault, unfaithfulness?  None of these things are new, but we sure are more coarse about them.

#2  Men have always tended towards selfishness.  But now they have different reasons to indulge.  Sexism has new tools.

[b]#3  Coercive "family planning" policies happen all over the globe, not just China.  But it's not just government programs.  It's societal attitudes.  Children shift from gifts to burdens, accidents, mistakes, choices--their value is tied to their "wantedness," their usefulness, rather than intrinsic.  They need to prove their worth to their parents and to society.  Are they "planned"?  Healthy?  Well-provided for?  A boy and a girl, no more?  Do they fit with their parents' desire for travel, eating out frequently, frenetic work schedules?  This shift of thinking is profound, and goes way beyond government-forced sterilizations and abortions.[/b]

#4  Sparta was one tiny society.  The global impact of dehumanization, combined with technology, is far more profound, and takes their primitive way of thinking to an unfathomable level.  Babies can be created and destroyed, harvested and utilized, cultivated and bred, tested and eliminated, all well before birth.  People become parts, not persons.

There is nothing new under the sun.  But separating sex and procreation corrupts something fundamental to our humanity.  The low European birth rate is just one manifestation of this fact.[/quote]

And why shouldn't it shift. Women now have a say in how their bodies are used. That's a good thing and far from coercive. While there are some women -and men also- who would fall into your morality trap, most people have simply decided to be more responsible with their choices. Having the number of children they can afford and waiting until they are financially and personally ready. Why is that coercive? So what if it is a little bit selfish? It certainly is ridiculous that you would say that making these choices goes "way beyond government-forced sterilizations and abortions." Even more, I'd say that is a downright stupid thing to say.

Your sweeping generalizations, alone, make your post unworthy of any sort of read or attention paid.[/quote]

Agreed.  Up until a half-century ago, it was perfectly legal for a man to rape his wife.  Domestic violence cases were unheard of.  My grandfather had my grandmother committed to a mental asylum because he was tired of her giving him lip.  All of that changed during the 60s and later.

Good concern trolling, though.[/quote]

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