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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Love these suggestions.  I would remove questions pertaining to parents - like where they went to school, occupation etc.  Make it all about the applicant and less about reading tea leaves.  [/quote]

I would never endorse this. I fully support schools' attempts to pull in first gen college students.[/quote]

Not just first gen, you need some context.  I wish, however, that more direct questions were asked, such as the amount of test prep, # of times the SAT were taken, all scores, all paid and unpaid assistance with applications.[/quote]

who would admit to having test prep? and would test prep include taking free tests through Kahn?[/quote]

Why should kids get dinged b/c their parents have the time/money to give them test prep options? We are by no means rich and I certainly did not do so when I was in college. But all this leveling the economic playing fields at this stage is not good. I'm not saying it never has a role (and don't start with me, I was DIRT POOR, "first gen" growing up - though I had no benefit from that). But, it's role is outsized. This country is SUPPOSED to be a meritocracy. And yes, I am well aware after all my years of scraping and begging and paying my way, that it is not. But, removing one set rules for special access to replace with other rules that many kids cannot meet out of no fault of their own is not the answer.[/quote]

It seems that you have come to terms with your experience of DIRT POOR, "first gen", didn't benefit and having to scrape and beg your way.  Are you advocating for these same DIRT POOR, first gen to continue to struggle on the bottom rung as you once did. If you worked your tail off to finally make it, why wouldn't you want to do every thing you can to give these kids a chance so they don't have to go through what you went through.

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Because it is not the role of colleges to equalize the playing field across the board. Why the hell did I bust my a-- to do so only to have it held against me and my kids now?

And you can mock me with your repeated my all caps, etc. That's fine. Bit of assholery but that's to be expected here. But, what you're saying it's ok to tell me and my kids that, regardless of their work, their prep, their grades, "you've done fine enough. Now it's someone else's turn." You have to be content with some lesser position in the college game. I think that's BS. I'm not rich/privileged enough for it not to matter what my kids' stats are (b/c there will be no family connections, legacy status, generational wealth) but I do just well enough to be told my kids should be held back to give someone else a turn?  That's really what your advocating?

Sorry, no. I will never be in support of that. The only one losing in this scenarios are families like mine.[/quote]

You just sound very bitter.  I can see that you struggled.  Yet you don't care if others similar to your old self struggle.  Then why is in the world are you complaining of the struggles your kids potentially may experience.

Inequity persists in this world when people are selfish in protecting their own privilege and are blind to other's suffering.  I am advocating for those who are more fortunate to think of those who are not on many different fronts, whether it is education, income, services, etc.  If our education system can churn out a new crop of adults who are mindful of service to others, then the world will be a much better place.

BTW, using your own terms caps and all, is meant to show that I am not trying to twist your words or to paraphrase, out of respect for you.  You want to perpetuate this victim mentality, be my guest.  You will struggle mightily through the admission process.[/quote]

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