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Indeed we do! I started out playing classical music from 5-17yo (piano and cello) and have since played rock and blues guitar (I’m now in my mid-30s). I do think starting with classical gives good discipline in terms of attention to detail, but it can also make it difficult to switch to an improv mentality, which is extremely important for succeeding as a rock/blues musician. I had to unlearn a certain rigidness in order to progress as a rock/blues guitarist.

I guess my point in posting to you is that I hope that, if your daughter decides to move into non-classical music at some point, that she can take the good from classical training, while being mindful of what she might need to unlearn. [/quote]

Exactly. You don't know how hard it would have been in terms of ear training and rhythm accuracy if you hadn't started with classical first. As it was, you didn't notice the lack of challenge in that department and only noticed the one skill you didn't have :-)
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Yes, but as I said, I had to unlearn rigidity that otherwise would’ve led to failure as a rock/blues guitarist.

OP here. That’s ok, I’m really interested in this also, both as a pedagogical point that applies to things other than music and to music specifically. I trained classically and also regret not doing jazz earlier. Do you know the duo Igudesman and Joo? I think that attitude of seeing music as expression and communication is so important, and often lost when you start with a “do it this way” approach.
I also believe that a good teacher can teach rhythm accuracy and ear training in the context of non-classical music. Keep in mind that most—if not all—excellent rock musicians had no classical training at all.

But I don’t want to derail OP’s thread more than I already have. [/quote][/quote]

Oops, posted amid yours:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WOQaK7NHY-4
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I’ll check them out, thanks!

I think you expressed my problem with classical training really well. A classical musician is a vessel for someone else’s music, whereas jazz, rock, blues, etc encourage the musician to express him/herself.

It’s not that a classical musician can’t emotionally connect with the music—they can and do—but they are meant to be a medium for delivering someone else’s music in a very specific way and can’t really diverge from that. [/quote]

This opinion is shockingly wrong. I'll assume it was an off-the-cuff remark and you didn't stop to think before you wrote. Artists diverge from what's written ALL THE TIME. Even if an artist wanted to, they could not play a piece the way another artist plays it. Of course it's about self-expression, like any other art form!!! I mean, duh. By the way, new classical music is being written every day, and performed publicly everywhere in the world. There are many contemporary classical composers. But even with the guidance of a living composer at their side, each artist is going to have a different take on the music, AND THAT'S WHAT THE COMPOSER WANTS. The performer turns the piece into art, not the composer.

Listen to the Bach Partita II when Hilary Hahn plays it and when Itzhak Perlman plays it - both beautiful, but extraordinarily different in color, timbre, tempo, interpretation. I prefer Hahn's contemplative version, even though it's not the accepted tempo. The truth is that we don't have much knowledge of how great musicians played their music before recordings. Much research has been done, and music has the most wonderful and multi-layered notation allowing someone from centuries long gone to guide your playing - but when all is said and done, you're alone in front of notes and markings, and you make the music your own.
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First of all, calm down. I’m not talking about classical composers or solo classical musicians at the level of Itzhak Perlman; I’m talking about someone playing in an orchestra. They have to adhere to the interpretation of the piece that the conductor wants.

I played in orchestras for 15 years and trust me — I could not diverge from what the conductor wanted. The conductor is essentially a dictator.

Obviously someone composing music is engaging in individual expression. So are soloists.

But the vast majority of classical musicians are not like that. Most classical musicians—especially on the amateur level, which is what we’re discussing here—are playing in orchestras. They are taking direction from a conductor.

That is in contrast to an amateur playing the blues. That is almost entirely a question of improvisation. As long as you remain in key, you can essentially do what you want. [/quote]

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