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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]50% of American high schoolers ha r straight As.

DCPS is only giving As and Bs this year.   They dropped Cs and below from the grading scale entirely.

This is going to make very student even. [/quote]
This will cause more colleges to require remedial classes to help students who got an  "A" in English in HS but clearly can only write at a 5th grade level.  Acceptances will become almost like a lottery, and admitting those students who cannot hack it in higher level institutions will hurt everyone..  These students should be going to community colleges for remedial classes, then transferring to 4 yr universities. By no means do I think that we should not help these kids, but pushing them into situations in which they are not prepared for is doing everyone a disservice.

They should replace the SATs with something else, like maybe a test like cogat or something.[/quote]

If only admissions officers had a way to know who the good students are without needing a test score... something like knowledge of the schools and the trustworthiness of the guidance recommendations, plus their instincts, which would come with the many years of organizational and personal experience that clearly none of them have...

...oh well, I guess they are now doomed to admit entire classes of unworthy idiots while the truly worthy are denied!

/endsarcasm[/quote]
You clearly don't know anything about schools in CA to make this statement.

Yes, they know which are "high achieving" schools. And they are mostly white/Asian.

" trustworthiness of the guidance recommendations" - as if guidance recommendations don't have bias.

"instincts" - as if that person who is reviewing the applications don't have any bias

Yes, if they do away with any type of measurable test scores, then what you will see is either more unqualified students attending or less URM being admitted.  Look at what happened after Prop 209.[/quote]

I guess screw the kids who don’t go to “high achieving” schools that have lots of Ap classes, math clubs, debate, naviance (some school districts don’t have naviance or anything similar). Eff the poors! [/quote]

Again, you are describing a problem that doesn't exist now even though what you typed is true today.  Adcoms know that difference schools offer different things.  They work very hard to ensure they get the kids and the class they want.  They are not going to let this stop that.

Many admissions officers HATE the standardized tests.  For example:

[i]My final year in admissions, the way we treated an applicant broke my heart. I interviewed her in my office and was struck by her depth, self-effacing humor, drive, maturity, and critical thinking. She had two working-class parents without advanced degrees and grew up in an economically depressed region of western Massachusetts. She had the grades and the extracurricular activities, but her scores were 70 points below our median.

During our committee session, I gave an impassioned speech on her behalf, which might account for the four votes I got in her favor. I’d never advocated so desperately and enthusiastically for a student. She was precisely the sort of person who would reach our campus, take full advantage of the resources she’d been lacking throughout her life, and contribute both socially and academically. Unfortunately, five colleagues still voted against her. Her case helped see me out the door.[/i]

https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/2019/5/1/18311548/college-admissions-secrets-myths

also

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/10-things-the-sat-wont-tell-you-2014-05-02?mod=article_inline

https://www.nacacnet.org/knowledge-center/standardized-testing/nacac-report-on-standardized-testing/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltnietzel/2020/01/27/more-colleges-go-to-test-optional-admissions-and-it-didnt-take-a-lawsuit-for-them-to-do-it/

I could go on and on[/quote]

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