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Of course I know that there are fabulously wealthy people, and that charity is a personal decision.  I just never realized there could be such a thing as a club with a pool and tennis courts that could cost that much to join.

We are a military family, and we have our officers club and pool, and I know it is all government subsidized.  I know this area is very expensive.  And I guess for some people a certain club offers a lot of advantages.

Again, what stood out to me was the idea that Christians would be comfortable with those kinds of fees.  It seems like your kids could go swimming for a lot less.  I never realized what country clubs were really like.[/quote]

To be blunt, it's not really all that different (except for the cost because, as you said, the officers' club/pool is government subsidized) from the concept of having a pool for the enlisted men and one for the families of military officers. When we swim in a separate pool, are we meeting the Christian ideal? I'm guessing not.[/quote]

I'm lost.  I don't see the parallel at all.  Enlisted and officers are separated to maintain good order and discipline and to prevent fraternization.  It is not a statement on intrinsic value in the eyes of God, about comparative wealth, or even about amenities (they are the same).

Military live the Christian ideal of laying down their lives for their neighbors.  But their individual virtues are certainly not assured.  We're all human.

I just don't see your point.[/quote]

Just FYI, we have several Naval Academy and Air Force Academy grads in our family. I understand about laying down lives for neighbors. It's stilll the concept of separating the "upper" from the "lowers." Even you said, "to prevent fraternization." I'm just pointing out that I doubt Jesus would have thought such separation necessary . . .[/quote].

Jesus didn't come to organize an effective military.  [/quote]

Now that we brought Jesus into the discussion, if it were up to Jesus would we even need a military?   Would he approve of war?  I'm not trying to start a religious or moral fight here, but I do find it [b]funny how people use Jesus when it's convenient to support their position but conveniently forget about his teachings when they're contradictory.  [/b] FWIW, I fully support the military and fully support the right of people to choose to join country clubs or spend their money however they find fit.  [/quote]

Well, I can see I've started more than I intended.  :-) By bringing Jesus into the discussion, I wasn't trying to conveniently support my position. I was sincerely asking the question--one I ask myself many times because I also have belonged to a country club, attended private schools, spent weekends swimming in officers' club pools, taken nice trips, bought high end clothes, etc. I've also worked hard and tried to make careful choices. Balancing how to spend your time and money vs thinking of others can be really tough on the old conscience. [/quote]

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