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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]George Washington also had slaves.  As did Jefferson, and other US potus. Maybe we should take down their monuments.

I'm totally for BLM and renaming military bases that are named after *confederate* generals, as they are basically traitors to the USA. But, I don't think we need to rename *everything* named after people in this country's history who owned slaves. Lots of people owned slaves; it was the norm during that time.[/quote]

George and Martha "owned" >700 enslaved people. Jefferson raped and had children with an enslaved woman he "owned". You can't leave the past in the past when you have daily reminders. Hey, let's live on Jeffry Epstein Street or Dahmer Blvd.[/quote]
Why does it matter how many slaves the Washington's owned?  As for Jefferson, if he did rape her, and never felt sorry for it, then sure, demolish his monument.  But there were many back then who did own slaves and then eventually changed their minds about it.  Washington was such a person, and B. Franklin.

Maybe what ought to be done is keep the Jefferson memorial, but in it, also put a memorial up for those he wronged?  What better way to remind people that Jefferson was not perfect and slavery was evil. People who go to Jefferson's monument will see both. I like the monument, and some of the words inscribed there.   Mt. Vernon has something similar, I believe. They have an area dedicated to the slaves there; I think it's near Washington's tomb from what I recall.[/quote]

Are you my neighbor from Charles Manson Drive?[/quote]
Only if you live in Jim Jonestown.  Was this a serious post?

Slavery as we know it now is a horrible thing. But, it was practiced by many countries on almost every continent, over thousands of years.  It is mentioned in the Bible, the Koran, Russians had serfs who were basically slaves and could be bought and sold up until the 1800s; Africans had slaves, as did the major civilizations in the Americas.

There were those who later felt that it was not a good thing.  The guy who wrote the hymn Amazing Grace was such a person. It's an amazing story of a man who was involved in the slave trade, then went on to see the evils of it, eventually getting it abolished in England.   I believe he was a captain on a slave ship, transporting them to the British colonies.  Should we stop singing Amazing Grace since he wrote it? [/quote]

Thank you. But historical knowledge and reason are anathema to the mob.[/quote]

Reason also says that you can’t compare a repentant slave trader turned abolitionist with an unrepentant Confederate general.[/quote]
No sh1t. That wasn't the point of that point. Read the entire thread.. it was about Washington and Jefferson, definitely not confederate generals.  I wholeheartedly agree with getting rid of traitors - confederate generals. But some people also want to get rid of Jefferson and Washington memorials. U. Grant's statue in SF was just torn down. WTF?  Those people have turned into a mob with zero thinking skills.  [/quote]

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