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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Two thoughts: The church shouldn't deny communion to a child because their parent isn't as "good" as they would like. We don't deny children food and care because their parents aren't great. The parents are the stewards but you shouldn't punish a child for having a lousy steward.

Second: You shouldn't have to 'prove' mass attendance. It is working on the assumption that the child is a liar. Not the best set up for that kind of a scenario. I'd favor a situation where you reminded the child of their obligations, remind them that lying is wrong and expect the best. I don't think Jesus would be checking church attendance. [/quote]

It's the parents' responsibility to take the child to church and the parents who would take the children (or not) to an out-of-town church when away from home, and the parents who are expected to get the signature of the priest in the other town.  Thus it is the parents who are lying and driving the child to sin -- missing mass and lying.

The priest can only be in contact with any child through the child's parents and it is the parents who are trying to cheat their way to the child's communion. Do you expect the priest to ask the child if they lied for their parents?

Not a good example to the child.[/quote]

So you have a kid whose family comes sporadically. He or she would like to be a part of the community but cannot count on their parents to ensure that. You want . 14 year old to ask an adult parishoner for a ride. Maybe their parents aren't cool with a stranger taking their kid somewhere? Maybe the family wants to do other things on Sundays? The kid can't choose and yet wants to be a part of things but yu are pretty cavalier about them just doing it later. Would you be pleased if people told you that you could just be a proper part of a community later? The hyper focus on rules over kindness is truly stunning. What parish do you belong to? 
So you are ok denying the sacraments to a child even when it isn't their fault? How very Christian of you. [/quote]

In the situation we're discussing, the child is old enough to know that missing mass is a mortal sin.  It doesn't matter whose "fault" it is - if you miss mass, you miss mass.  Like if you fell down vs your parents pushed you down -- you'd still have bruises that need treatment.

[b]Of course, even a confirmation-age child would not go to hell for parental sins that the child couldn't control, but to be a Catholic in good standing, the child would have to go to confession, go to communion and attend mass regularly.[/b]

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So a 10 year old cannot partake of the sacraments unless their parents are good Catholics. I see. I guess it is important to have rules. Wouldn't want just anyone having access to this stuff would we.

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Some people keep talking about Communion.  But this thread is about CONFIRMATION.
First of all, generally 10 year olds aren't getting confirmed.  (Unless it's part of RCIC, but that's a different situation anyway.)

Secondly, while I think this whole signature thing is hog-wash, one of the major points of confirmation is that the child is accepting responsibility as a full member of the Catholic community - no longer a child dependent on others, but someone responsible for their own actions and attending based on their own faith.  Absolutely some parents force their teens to get confirmed, and I think that's totally inappropriate.  But suggesting that someone should automatically have access to confirmation is just whacky.  If you are so young and dependent that you are reliant on your parents to take you to church, then it's [b]totally OK to wait to be confirmed until you are older and can do it independently[/b].[/quote]

How many 14 year olds do you know that drive? Also how many 14 year olds that want to go to church and/or get confirmed? But that is a separate discussion. [/quote]

Now you’re just attacking without even reading. As PP said quite clearly, a kid can wait until they are old enough to drive or otherwise do it independently. I bolded it for you. [/quote][/quote]

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