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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]LOL.  Thanks for your list.  What a joke. [/quote]

:lol:  seems like you’re the joke. You need a answer that involves giving money when you can do the training yourself or just free play?

Please just go keep giving Quan your money, maybe your one of his staff hoping to bring in more “business” . That’s what we are right? [/quote]

Ronaldo isn’t what he is today from free play.  Neither is Messi or any other world star.   These players have all benefitted from years of intense training and superior competition in closed academy systems.

This is why you and your answer are the joke. [/quote]

Actually Ronaldo, Messi, and yes pretty much all other world stars did in fact develop their individual skills from playing in the street.   Yes, they also learned the team stuff in very good professional academies, but the individual skill development was done on their own and in hours upon hours of playing with friends and relatives.  And by the way in Argentina and Portugal they don't have "closed academy systems."  That actually describes OUR system - which is closed.  US Soccer determines who gets in, and who gets to be considered top tier.  Where Messi and Ronaldo grew up the systems are "open", based on merit, so that any club doing a good job has the chance to succeed and  move up to play at the highest levels.

None of that really matters though.  Our kids don't have the opportunity to walk out their front door and play in the street against other good players for hours at a time whenever they want.  It just doesn't exist here.  So, the individual skills do have to be supplemented - both with work on your own and also finding ways to get together with other good players.  HP Elite and other skills clinics are not necessary in Rosario.  They are in the DMV.  [/quote]

Oh, didn’t know you played in the streets with Messi and Ronaldo to verify this!

Street ball is good, but I’ll bet they both learned a lot more in their closed European club academies than on the street, other than a love for the game. [/quote]

Comparatively, a lot of basketball is learned by just playing it a ton as a kid.  Why wouldn't this work in soccer?[/quote]

You’re right, Barcelona did nothing for Messi.  They should just disband La Masia and pick players at 17-18 to start on their first team from slums around the world.[/quote]

Messi showed up at La Masia and was playing with Barca’s first team 3 years later, so it’s not the best example. The better argument for academies would be that Messi spent 7 years in Newell’s academy in Argentina, so he was much more developed than the kids here when they are going into the DA....but he had played a hell of a lot more street ball than kids here as well by that point.[/quote]

The details don’t matter.  The point is that there is a reason for academies, La Masia, etc.  If organized training were not vital to developing a player, there wouldn’t be a need for academies and youth level clubs.   The argument being made here is bunk...HP Elite training is beneficial to the kids who attend and can give them an edge, both in correcting technical fundamentals as providing very good competition in training.   People who don’t like Quan and company can avoid HP and put their kids in a street environment if they think that’s better for their child and compare results at the end of the day.   Good luck with that approach. [/quote]

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