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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous] Try getting in to one of these places these days.[/quote]

Why wouldn’t a very good student get in?[/quote]

Have you looked at the admissions stats?  And being in Nova doesn't help, despite what their admissions people say about there not being any quotas.[/quote]

[b]In plain English, who is getting in, then?[/b][/quote]

I don’t know, but my DC with a 3.8 gpa (lots of rigor/APs), a 34 ACT & 1500 SAT, and great extracurriculars did not get into UVA last year (and did get into arguably “better” schools than UVA out of state). DC’s friend with similar stats from same HS was also rejected by UVA . ????[/quote]
That's because in addition to being an excellent school, UVA is also a cult, at least among a certain set of VA parents and students.[/quote]

It's pretty clearcut looking at our FCPS HS who gets into UVA- 95% of the accepted students had a weighted GPA over 4.3.  Their SATs were far more variable--they ranged from 1250-1600.  GPA + rigor in the context of your HS matters far more to UVA than anything else.  So take a solid handful of rigorous APs/IBs and get As in nearly everything and don't bomb the SATs and do good enough in ECs/essay.

W&M is usually a balance of SATs and GPA and other factors.  A kid with a 1250 SAT and a 4.5 GPA might not get in, but a kid with a 4.1 weighted GPA and a 1500 SAT might.  [/quote]

W&M also considers interest whereas UVA does not.  So if a student does an official visit to W&M and does an interview, it will help.  My DS got into W&M with lower stats, no hook but he did an interview.  I firmly believe the interview got him in.

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[b]UVA marks Interview and Level of Interest as "Not Considered".  W&M marks them as "Considered", which is the lowest level if considered (after "Very Important" and "Important").  W&M also marks Volunteer/Work Experience "Very Important" while UVA marks them as "Considered".    UVA marks Standardized Test Scores and Essay as "Important", while W&M marks them as "Very Important".    It seems like the schools do follow the way they mark factors.[/quote][/b]

[b]Sorry, but the stats disagree with what you are saying. [/b] With one exception, all standardized test scores of the incoming (attending) class at UVA last fall had higher scores at UVA.  High School GPAs, also, across the board, were higher at UVA.  But interview and level of interest as "not considered" is probably true because UVA is now receiving 41,000 applications and can't track the 80,000 or more that tour.  Here are the stats for the entering students at UVA last fall (enter the school's name and hit update).  Since these are students who actually enrolled, not admitted, they are lower than what an applicant should be aiming for, especially from NOVA:  UVA SAT top 75th percental median: 1480; median 1420; bottom 25th percentile 33.   CWM  is 1490 (that was the one exception); 1400 and 1310.  ACT stats for UVA were 34 for top 75th percentile, 32 and 30.  W&M were 33, 32, 30.  GPA:  UVA top 75th percentile 4.48; 4.33 median, 4.16 bottom 25th percentile.  CWM was a 4.43/4.24 and 4.05 for bottom 25th percentile.  http://research.schev.edu//rdPage.aspx?rdReport=enrollment.B10_FreshmanProfile&lbUNITID=231624&lbREPYEAR=1819[/quote]

Geez, it was a comparison of factors stated by the respective admission offices in the Common Data Sets, not stats.  Most of the factors aren't reflected in any available stat anyway (essay, interview, volunteer work, recommendations, interest).    And what I conveyed is directly from the admissions offices, so it really isn't "what I am saying".

The rating of the factors tells you what might help or hurt your chances of admission at each school.  Like the previous poster said, the interview may be helpful at W&M but isn't an option at UVA.   Interest and volunteer work, essay, etc., may also be relatively more of a benefit at W&M vs UVA.   UVA probably places more overall weighting on grades (although the admission office always tries to point out that it is really about the transcript -- difficulty of classes and grading - rather than simply GPA).    [/quote]

The scores between UVA and W&M are virtually identical--these are not meaningful differences   But what I would say looking at NOVA Naviance is that UVA is very tight on GPA--they rarely dip lower than the top 10% of GPA in a given school regardless of SAT.  So at W&M a 1500 will cut you a bit of slack on GPA whereas at UVA it won't.  Also UVA is fairly even across gender, but at W&M in-state men are admitted with slightly lower scores.  [/quote]

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