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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous] I actually do know exactly which verses are applicable here (namely Mark 10:17-31 and hello most of the Bible) but no, I haven’t been impressed with the amount of knowledge on this forum about the Bible. It’s basically a bunch of ignoramuses pontificating on something they hardly know. Very few people seem to know anything about the Bible other than as you say, there are rules on what foods to eat (gasp! Rules about eating in a time where there were all kinds of diseases associated with unsanitary conditions!!) and some random “impossible” thing they saw on some atheist reddit post like there was a talking donkey, which wasn’t even the most interesting part of that story. [/quote] Is it really surprising that people point out the parts of the book they find objectionable, contradictory, offensive, or impossible? The problem many people have is with biblical literalists. You'll see very little argument to people who view it as allegory written by men, even if they choose to make it an important part of their life.[/quote] If you accept the premise of a creator who is omnipresent, omnipotent, etc., why would the “impossible” parts bother you at all? The entire premise is impossible without faith. Secondly I have no problem discussing contradictions in the Bible, but when your knowledge and understanding are so superficial, you really don’t have anything of interest to say. Yes, guys, we know some innocent babies get cancer and that is super terrible, but it is really not a slam dunk as far as seeing religion as illegitimate. The fallout of free will and living in the natural world is suffering. The Bible is actually not about avoiding suffering or having the easiest life possible. Don’t try to point out issues about something that you didn’t read all the way through without at least googling or investigating yourself. So basic![/quote] Because literalists try to impose their will on the rest of us, through legal or societal means. You know this. For the record I have had a great deal of biblical instruction. By "superficial" you mean "You don't compartmentalize the problem areas so that faith is easy, therefore I do not want to hear from you". And if you think I "really don’t have anything of interest to say", well, then why did you respond? We both know the answer to that one.[/quote] You are certainly launching into your own thing so good luck with that. I haven’t told you to have faith or “compartmentalize” so I’m not sure who or what you’re arguing about. This isn’t really about being literal with the text, but having a working understanding. If you have knowledge, have a knowledgeable discussion about the text. If you don’t, don’t. I don’t see you showing off any deep thinking. What do you think the Bible says about being rich?[/quote] The first one that comes to mind is the quote about it being easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. I believe that is directly from Jesus. [/quote] So you are so knowledgeable about the Bible you even know the top quote you are responding to! Wow, color me impressed![/quote] Assuming that is sarcasm -- a question was asked and earnestly answered. I am asking seriously: what answer would have satisfied you?[/quote] Umm perhaps something other than what I originally told you, something that reflected your supposed deep knowledge and study? Again, you don’t have to go super deep here, it’s a big Bible.[/quote]
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