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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]You're conflating the art with the artist.  I guess you think art should be didactic?  People still love to view Gauguin's work and he slept with teenage girls.  Despite his abhorrent tendencies, MJ's music is not going away, because his actual WORK and musical legacy was brilliant. [/quote]

You’re still giving money to his estate, which has denied any wrongdoing on his part, every time you stream one of his songs. That’s the difference.[/quote]

You keep repeating this like some sort of mantra, apparently believing it is some sort of critical point.  It isn't.  Michael Jackson is dead, likely roasting in hell for his crimes.  He gets no benefit from any royalties.  What does it matter, at all, of his estate - which is comprised of his children, deny that he committed those crimes?

I don't disagree that the public should stop supporting artists who commit crimes, and the R Kelly movement is a perfect example.  And of course everyone has to draw their own line as to what they are comfortable with.  But for me, "the estate gets record streaming royalties," falls well short of a good reason for deleting Billy Jean from my playlist.

But, PP, you appear to be very fixated on the "estate has denied wrongdoing and vilified the accusers" argument.  So, I have a question for you - did you vote for Hillary Clinton for President?  Contribute to her campaign?    [/quote]

I didn't vote for her in the primary. I did vote for her in the general, but I wasn't happy about it and only did so because the alternative was (and remains) so horrific. Given that her opponent was Trump, you picked a really horrible example for demonstrating my alleged hypocrisy when it comes to supporting people who mistreat abuse survivors.

My issue with everyone harping about how "difficult" it is to give up Jackson's music is that, unlike exercising your civic duty to vote, it isn't hard AT ALL to stop listening to a particular set of songs. It's damn easy. There's almost unlimited music out there; just pick something else! [/quote]

BS.  You are harping, over and over, about how people who listen to MJ's music music are "supporting the estate, which denies any crimes were committed and has vilified the accusers" when you *voted for someone for President* who has done *exactly* the same thing.  That's pretty much the definition of hypocrisy.  And yes, Trump is worse, b[b]ut you are fine with black and white scenarios when you're chastising other people - it's only when those same standards are applied to you that the need for nuance suddenly becomes important.[/b]  Also, plenty of people "exercised their civic duty to vote" by voting for someone other than Clinton or Trump.  And now your rationale is, "well, it's easy to stop listening to the music."

So, y[b]ou do (what you believe to be) the right thing when it is easy, don't do it when it is difficult,[/b] but feel fine railing at other people for not living up to your "standards." Real profile in courage, you are.   [/quote]

Voting for 3rd party candidates helped elect Trump, especially for those who did so in certain states. You're a fool if you think voting for a particular candidate is the same thing as choosing what music to listen to. There are much higher stakes and more complicated reasoning involved when making a decision about whom to vote for in an election. 
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Oh, we know, PP - your situation is different!  and complicated!  and harder!

Pretty much exactly the bolded above, right?  [/quote]

If you can't see the difference between figuring out whom to vote for in a close presidential election with massive consequences for our country and the world, and deciding whether to listen to Michael Jackson music, there isn't much I can accomplish by continuing to debate this with you. [/quote]

There's a big difference - voting in a presidential election is enormously consequential.  Listening to the music of a dead artist is . . . not.

But, it's good to see that you are a person of principle, PP.

BTW - do you live in DC, or MD?  Because if you do, your vote was neither necessary or of any consequence whatsoever.

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