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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Because  no one wants average kids. Everyone around here seems to think there kid is super smart or has SN. [/quote]

The SN forum is full of people who want neurotypical kids. [/quote]

+1.  This thread is so nasty.  My kid has an IQ of over 140, and has wicked ADHD.  Would I like to have been able to send him to a regular preschool, and regular camps?  Yes!  Would I like for him to be able to have playdates without getting that look from the other mom?  Yes!  Would I like to save the $10-20,000 I spend every year on special therapy and treatments, and all the heartache of wondering if I've got the right treatment plan or am medicating him too much or too little or with the wrong stuff?  Yes! Yes! Yes!  I'd trade 30 IQ points easily for that, but no one gave me that choice.

Also, it's pretty well acknowledged that the rates of ADHD, ASD and probably other LDs are increasing due to all the chemicals in the environment, many of which are known to be neurotoxic.  (And most of which we grew up consuming, so it's stored in our fat tissues and released to the fetus while we gestate or maybe even in our breastmilk.)  (There's also interesting research being done linking it to gut flora, so all the antiobiotics we consume in our food is maybe a factor as well.) So if this all bothers you, call your Congressional rep and encourage them to pass stricter laws governing pesticides and other chemicals.  [/quote]

I am on special needs forum a lot. I have two SN kids. Where is this well acknowledged? As for antibiotics, I grew up in Eastern Europe and antibiotics were given so much. Non stop. Cough, cold, sore throat, anything. There was no ADHD diagnosis then in my country at all. LD disabilities, imo, are not increasing due to chemicals, they are increasing because we are denying out children the freedom to grow up and develop their emotional and intellect abilities at the regular pace. This is not all our fault, this is how we live, not everyone is a millionaire that can start environmentally friendly farm and raise their kids range free, most of us can't. Pesticides were all over Eastern Europe when I was growing up. Sister, cousins and I are all high IQ, our children all have something wrong with them... The difference? We grew up "free range," our kids grew up being expected to read at 3 and driven to activities in very urban environment. Out little village became a suburb and just exploded. Same with my US DH, all his siblings are smart and grew up "free range" and not a single diagnosis, kids all have some diagnosis. I mean, come on, you surely see the common thread? And it is not pesticides! Out lifestyle is preventing our children from being children and WE(notice we, not just YOU) are coming up with cover up stories. Media, movies have replaced reading, reading teaches patience, screen does not. Our society is to blame, but not for pesticides, for parental and teaching failures. My DD is hyper social ADHD, and I would trade nothing, nothing for her not be be adhd, because honestly her adhd was just called social, has endless energy kid 30 years ago. Now, she never hurt anyone, if your child is aggressive, I would question the ADHD diagnosis.[/quote]

Free range means parents are lazy and kids parent themselves.  It’s a cop out for I want kids for status but cannot be bothered with them.  Parenting means teaching your kids and driving.  Not this free range hands off parenting and then complain about how kids are being raised as the lack of parenting is why we have so many kids and teens running wild and behaving as they have and do.  You may have replaced reading for electronics but that is not what many of us have done.  It’s a justification and assumption when it’s often not the case.

My child has a specific disorder.  The school was pushing ASD or adhd so they can get their SN numbers up as they lost special education teachers.  They want kids medicated as it’s easier to sedate than teach.  Schools put kids on computers far more than parents and push for the SN label as it’s about money.  Many parents I know comply as they fear retaliation, which happened to us.  It is not as simple as you make it.  [/quote]

I disagree that school want to up theirs special needs numbers.  I know of kids who have been denied 504s with a diagnosis and strong teacher support saying the child clearly needs accommodations.  Also, who are these parents medicating their kids for fear of retaliation?  Teachers aren't even allowed to say they think a kid has a specific disability.  [/quote]

504 is not an IEP.  The more kids with IEPs with specific diagnosis gets the special education teachers.   We were denied a 504 after terminating our IEP as they would only allow us to continue with an ASD or ADHD diagnosis.  We were not going to allow them to improperly diagnose our child who was in private services since age two and many evaluations all with the same diagnosis.  Yes, many schools are resistant as they do not want to provide the services in less it benefits them.  My child goes without at school and we spend a small fortune doing them privately.  What they are allowed to do is different from what really happens.  Teachers are not allowed to diagnose but they suggest and demand the school allow for testing.  When they first tested our child they refused to talk to outside providers or us so they can try to get their preferred diagnosis.  Diagnosis means extra teachers.   They completely retaliated to my child in how they treated her, grades, if she did the slightest thing wrong she got sent to the office for the rest of the day and then lost lunch and recess for a few days after when normally all the kids were acting up and only she got in trouble. [/quote]

I think you may be misunderstanding.  You were likely denied a 504 because you need a medical diagnosis for a 504.  [/quote]

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