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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I thought quotas were unconstitutional?[/quote]

It’s complicated.

With the caveat that I have not seen the FCPS exact phrasing— quotas are generally unconstitutional.  But, in holistic admissions, like AAP, URM status as a “plus factor”— one consideration out of several— is okay.   And targets or goals that might or might not be reached are fine.  So, if FCPS is trying to put systems in place to help reach enrollment goals for URMs, it could be fine.  Especially if the goals are aspirational, rather than actual quotas.  “We hope that there will be enough qualified URMs” is different than “we will take unqualified URMs is we must to hit a certain number.  It’s like Harvard aggressively recruiting URMs and giving URM status special weight. Fine, as long as being a URM is not the deciding factor.

But— a lot of this law is in the context of college admissions, where there a set number of seats.  AAP is different, because every qualified kid is supposed to be admitted.  Unlike Harvard, a URM getting admission does not take a seat from some other, possibly more qualified kid. Your UMC white kid will still be admitted, whether or not the YS model is used to identify additional URM kids. So, I would think FCPS would get additional flexibility. [/quote]

Quotas will discriminate against asian kids, period.

This quota requirement will result in asian kids with scores in the 130 to 135 range being left out of AAP, while kids of other races with scores in the 110s to 130 range are accepted.

It is completely racist.[/quote] [b]I think it is racist to say Asian kids are smarter.[/b] [/quote]

TJ, a school for very smart kids, is about 70% Asian.  So draw your own conclusions.[/quote]

TJ is a school for very smart kids, very driven kids, and kids whose parents are willing to send their kids to prep centers in Kindergarten. You draw your own conclusions.

There are plenty of bright kids who choose not to take the TJ test or choose not to attend TJ.

There are plenty of bright kids who are less driven and worried about what math class they are taking in 7th grade.

I strongly suspect that the higher number of Asians in AAP and at TJ has less to do with one race being smarter then another and more to do with cultural practices that value math tutoring more then baseball/football/soccer/basketball/name a sport.

So I don’t think that one race is smarter then another, I think that there are cultural practices in play. I think that there are different ideas about balancing school wiht non-school activities.

I can’t think of any place in the US were the airports are shut down in order to reeduce noise levels so that kids can focus on their college entrance exams, like they do in South Korea. I can’t think of any place in the US that has entire shopping malls filled with academic tutoring businesses that are open until midnight like my friend from Singapore describes.

Correlation does not equal causation. TJ numbers do not reflect the percentage of smart kids per racial group.

I don’t like quotas, I don’t think that there should be quotas but I also don’t think that a heavey Asian presence in any academic programs means Asians are more intelligent then other racial groups. I think that there is a greater likelihood that the kids prepped for the necessary exams to be admited to AAP and Algebra Honors in 7th grade and TJ. More power to those kids and the parents willing to spend the money to get their kids into those programs.

i am perfectly content with my sons NNAT score, above the threshold. We had no clue it was coming or what it meant. I found this site googling NNAT FCPS in order to understand what it meant. We didn’t prep. It is but one data point in his short life and we are looking to help him achieve his potential academically. And in baseball. And Basketball. And swimming. And. Cub Scouts. Why? Because we think his being a balnced individual and not stressing about academics at 6 is a good thing. Maybe he won’t get into TJ because we didn’tg et hims started with math tutoring. Maybe he will despite our lack of math tutoring. I am not worried about it. I know that there are other people on this board who are already worried about their kids scores at 6. To each their own.

But I would argue that the higher percentage of Asians at TJ is much more due to their parents academic focus and less to do witht he fact that Asians are inhenerently smarter then other races.[/quote]

So the short non humble brag answer is:

Yes, asian kids are smarter and will get the shaft if fcps decides that their percentages in AAP must exactly match everyone else's percentages in AAP.

It is blatant racism and discrimination against asians.[/quote]

The short answer is Asians prep more for the CogAT and NNAT, and work harder academically.  Their hard work would be overlooked in the AAP selection process, but not the TJ selection process.  TJ is what really matters anyway.[/quote]

TJ does not matter.  Most of the class goes to UVA which would be the same outcome if the students stayed at their base schools

It's only a matter of time before people come for TJ.  Liberals/progressives won't be satistifed until it's 25% white 25% asian 25% hipsanic and 25% African American.  That is what this is ultimately all about

Personally I don't care.  I think the focus on TJ is unhealthy again most students who go there would get the same college result staying at their base school.[/quote]

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