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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Why look to other countries for examples when we have the history of the United States itself as the best example.[/quote]

how so?[/quote]

The United States became the most powerful nation in the world by all measures while maintaining a individual focused system of politics and government, with fewer social programs compared to Europe and Asia. [/quote]'

You do realize how much poverty there was in the US through the 1960s, right?  Yes, the US became the most powerful nation in the mid-20th century, but a large percentage of its people were living miserable and difficult lives throughout much of the century  Squalor, hunger, hardship, discrimination and oppression. And the New Deal sought to lessen that misery, as did the Johnson's Great Society.  Poverty in this country wasn't magically erased by an "individual focused system of politics and government."  It was greatly reduced by government safety net programs, labor laws, and anti-discrimination judicial decisions.[/quote]

Sure, I realize that there was poverty in the US in the 60s. There's poverty in the US now. The question isn't if there is poverty in the US, there clearly is. The question is when has a country done well while while not having elaborate social safety nets, and the history of the US has clearly shown this to be the case. [/quote]

When has the US "done well" at lower levels of social welfare and investment (not just welfare, but also infrastructure spending, etc) than we have in the present?  [/quote]

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