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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]When I read that Harvard rated Asians lower on personality, it sounds like they found them robotic devoid of unique traits, like students who have been trained to study and regurgitate on tests.  Harvard wants unicorns, not robots.[/quote]

Harvard has bent over backwards to increase the number of minority students, so much so that now the the last two classes have been majority-minority.  I find it churlish beyond belief to sue them because this group believes it should have more than a 22% share of the class.  This does reflect on their judgment and single-minded obsession with getting onto the most prestigious college.

BTW, any data on the percent of Asians at Princeton and Yale? I'm going to assume it's maybe higher at Stanford.[/quote]

Again, very insensitive to lump all minorities into one pot and saying: "look, we've got so many non-whites!". That's the perspective of a racist white person.

And again, this is a conversation about qualified minority applicants being rejected[b] in favor of LESS qualified applicants,[/b] who also happen to be white. This stinks to high heaven whichever way you slice it.

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SAYS WHO?  Harvard like most privates practices holistic admissions.  [b]You're going to have an impossible time proving those admitted were less qualified[/b].  They're all highly qualified or they wouldn't be looked at.  [/quote]

Wrong. Read up on the legal concept of Disparate Impact. Life's such a bitch when this ridiculous theory is now targeted against minority population. [/quote]

I agree it's ridiculous.  But Asians are proportionally represented so under that theory they will lose. [/quote]

[b]Nope, if any policy that Harvard institutes "such as the way they practice Holistic admissions" disproportionately impacts Asian Americans even if Harvard is not intending to be racist or discriminatory, then that policy would come under the umbrella of "Disparate Impact", because without it Asian Americans would be 40+% of Harvard's class.[/b] [/quote]

This is completely wrong. If 22% of the applicants are Asian and 22% of those admitted are Asian there can be no disparate impact, obviously, because they weren't disparately impacted by whatever selection device was used.

If you're arguing that under fair procedures 40% would have been picked, but under the method Harvard used only 22% were selected - that's a disparate treatment argument.   
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That's not how disparate impact works. You cannot use the 22% number in the applicant pool to swat away disparate impact.

Disparate impact prohibits Harvard "from using a facially neutral admission practice that has an [b]unjustified adverse impact on Asian Americans[/b]. Even though Harvard's holistic process does not appear to be discriminatory on its face; It is one that is discriminatory in its effect because Harvard's own findings show that without it, Asian student's would be 40%+ of its incoming class. The question is can the plaintiffs prove "disparate impact" because once they show it they can prevail without the necessity of showing intentional discrimination unless Harvard demonstrates that their way of conducting holistic admissions has a demonstrable relationship to the requirements of education. Could they? maybe.... [/quote]

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