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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote] Isn’t this the case for any and all medical procedure and surgeries? I mean if they amputate a limb is pain relief really medically necessary?[/quote] Oh this is just about the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Birth is not a medical procedure any more than eating a sandwich is, or taking a big dump. Yes it can be uncomfortable and even painful. Yes sometimes things go awry and medical intervention is needed. But otherwise... it what our bodies were literally designed to do. And yes, I had an umedicated birth, so don't @ me. [/quote] LOL. You’re insane. You are incredibly sexist. Who compares birth to taking a dump?? [/quote] A person who understands biology, and was prepared for (and had) an unmedicated birth. I think its much more sexist to say "women cannot do the thing they were designed to do without medical intervention." Don't we trust women a little more than that? I have no problem with a woman who wants pain meds, getting pain meds. But to assume it should be the default, or is necessary, because women just can't handle it -- nope, that's sexist.[/quote] Until about 100 years ago, women also died at incredibly high rates during childbirth. It's not sexist to point out that biology didn't make us the most efficient birthers of our large-headed progeny. Luckily, biology did give us big brains to enable us to solve problems that evolution did not by using tools and interventions...and it's not sexist to take advantage of medical advances. Knowing that an epidural enabled me to sustain 2 very difficult labors without needing a c-section, I would absolutely argue that epidurals have contributed to reductions in maternal mortality rates. Also, it's more-or-less guaranteed that I and my babies would have died in childbirth without modern medicine...so talking about "what bodes are designed to do without medical intervention" is meaningless to me. Like many women throughout all of human history, my body wasn't properly designed to birth babies...and it's sexist to somehow imply I'm a defective human because of that.[/quote] The incredibly high morbidity and mortality rates you're referencing had more to do with how medicine was practiced during the industrial age while more and more women started birthing at hospitals instead of at home and MWs were delegitimized. There is not a lot of data on birthing before the industrial age but what is available shows that mortality rates were not incredibly high. MWs did routinely and successfully deliver babies in cases that would automatically warrant a c/s today. Saying that women can not birth without medical intervention is one strategy for removing women's agency -- if it's a medical condition then obviously a doctor should be in charge and decide how everything should be done (in ways convenient to them). It's how we ended up with the horrors of twilight birthing ~80yrs ago. It's also how even today women are dictated to on how they are allowed to labor and birth. [/quote]
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