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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Don’t hate them because they are interesting...[/quote]
Huh. My son had very similar ECs to these kids’ acitivities of Key Club, student government, mock trail, and debate and he was derided here as being “boring” “there’s nothing that makes him stand out” “you’re gonna need a lot more than that for Ivies”...lots of comments like that. [/quote]

The silver spoon in his mouth was the tell.[/quote]
What? My kid didn’t applie to any Ivies. His grades and scores and ECs were almost identical to these kids’ but we were told he had no chance.
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The black kid with the 1540 was probably one of the top 10 AA kids in the country stats wise.  He's going to get in anywhere he applies.[/quote]

Yes, a black kid with a score of 1540 will most likely get in anywhere. About 1000 black kids scored over 1500 on the SAT.  https://www.brookings.edu/research/race-gaps-in-sat-scores-highlight-inequality-and-hinder-upward-mobility/[/quote]

From the article at most 1000 blacks scored above 750 on the math.  Scoring above 750 on the verbal is harder, and scoring above 750 on both is much harder still. Combine that with being 3rd in his class.  Top 10 is too low, but  it I'll bet this kid is in the top 100.  I remember looking at ACT scores a few years back and there were less than a hundred AA kids who scored 34 or above.[/quote]

I’m AA and scored above 750 on verbal (not close in math, tho).  [b]I wonder how many of these 1000 AA kids tend to apply to competitive colleges?[/b]  I did not apply to any mainstream competitive schools, and had no such guidance to do so—never met with guidance counselor, and parents didn’t offer much guidance at the time about specific schools.  Ended up attending an HBCU near home on a full ride; went on to obtain a PhD.  I know other kids with similarly strong stats who also attended HBCUs, some of whom turned down other strong schools to attend (e.g., Duke).

If this holds for AA kids with high SAT scores these days (i.e., that a subset won’t apply to competitive PWI  schools), I’d imagine the ones that do apply are in pretty high demand.[/quote]

[b]There are more high achieving AA kids out there but they don't apply to competitive schools. It is a concept called undermatching. [/b]Lots of studies about it floating around. Programs like Questbridge and the Posse Foundation try to serve as a pipeline to identify not just kids of color but poor and first-gen students and match those kids with top schools.  Most of these kids have no clue about their potential. What you see happening is that the Ivy League and other schools are getting better about finding those kids and that's why we see more kids of color going to those schools every year. [/quote]

PP here.  Interesting.  A lot of high-achieving AA kids I knew in college really wanted to attend an HBCU due to family traditions of attending, etc.  I’m sure undermatching also plays into things, due to things like concerns about debt, an expectation that some kids stay close to home to help out family, and simply being steered to lower performing schools by high school counselors—I’ve definitely heard of this too.  I know Ben Jealous encouraged more AAs to apply to Ivies when he was NAACP President, so yes, perhaps the trend is in this direction.

For my own kid, I’d be supportive of them applying to selective HBCUs, but also considering non-HBCUs, too.  Spouse attended Stanford for undergrad, and while I know that particular school is not a given—I know of several AA Stanford  legacies, even double legacies, who were rejected recently—I’d want my kid to look at all good options, depending on interests and fit.  This is all theoretical at this point, as we’re many, many years away from college apps.
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