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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The GOP is singing its death knell with this. They really should have taken Graham-Durbin.[/quote]

I think most GOP would be fine with this.  I know I would.  What most GOP wants is to stop the flow once and for all. [b] The end to chain migration would also be a big plus.[/b]  I think it also gets rid of the diversity lottery.

The problem in the past is that the Congress has voted for border security--but never appropriated the funds to finish the job.  Sec Nielson said that she needs more personnel and this does that.  She also needs to be able to send people back.  If you come in and say the right words (taught by the coyotes) you get to stay.

I think the plan has promise.  It is pretty much what I would like.[/quote]

What you're referring to, is people sponsoring their family members for immigration. For example, I know somebody who came to the US as a child refugee from Vietnam. When she grew up, as a naturalized US citizen, she started on the long and expensive process of sponsoring her parents, her three siblings, and the siblings' spouses and children.

Do you think that's bad? Do you think that she should not have been allowed to do this? And if so, why?

There is no such thing as "chain migration" -- chains don't migrate. We're talking about people. The immigration of people.[/quote]

NP. I think it's bad. If the people can't get in on their own merits, why do we want them here? What do they have to offer the country?

They might get a + in a column because they know someone here, but that's it. Having a relative would not be sufficient to allow someone to immigrate.

And here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chain_migration you can read up on why people call it chain migration and where the concept came from, since it seems to be troubling you.[/quote]

Get in on their merits?

What merit do you have, what makes you so special?  Being born here?  You had nothing to do with that.  [/quote]

Absolutely true.

And why should some kids get to go to better colleges, just because they were born with more grit or intelligence than others? That's ridiculous. Everyone should be able to go to any college they want to.

Right?[/quote]
A super rich kid can get into an elite university  with no merits.  See Trump.

Historically the US hasn't used "merit" for immigrating purposes.  That's how we let in millions of uneducated Irish, Poles, etc..   Historically, universities do use some form of "merit" for most people for admittance.  See the difference?[/quote]

Why do you think the country shouldn't change to allow immigration based on merit?
Don't we want to help make sure our country and its citizens are successful? Don't we want a sustainable social safety net for those who go through difficult times? Don't we want to continue to encourage the best and brightest to make their homes here?

Why do you think universities shouldn't accept all comers?
Don't you think everyone deserves access to an education? Do you really think people should be disproportionately rewarded based on accidents of birth? Don't you think opportunity should be shared?[/quote]

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