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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]People should spend more of their time and money working with their own child to improve the schools and stop whining.  A school is only as good as the kids and the families of the kids that attend.  Its sad people think they need other people’s children to attend local failed schools to make them better.  Look in the mirror, your schools are failing because of you and other people like you.  You could eliminate all private and charter schools in the country and you would still have the same underperforming group of kids.  Poor and failed schools are due to poor and failed parenting.  Go to a private or charter school and the parents spend time with their children and push\help them succeed. [/quote]

I have a feeling that if you swapped all the kids/parents from a failing school with all the kids/parents from a successful one, you would see the fortunes of the failing school largely reversed, and the successes of the "good" school end despite not changing funding or staffing at either school.

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You have a feeling this is true? This is 100% true and a no-brainer. "Good school," which is a phrase I dislike hearing on here, really means "school full of kids with all the advantages."[/quote]

Sure I think its true.  Take some of NYC's elite public schools and look at the student demographics.

Lets take Stuyvesant for example, which like Thomas Jefferson has admission primarily based on test scores.  [b]Half the kids qualify for free/reduced student lunches.[/b] 70% of the kids are asian. [b]75% are first generation immigrants for whom English is not a native language.[/b][u]

Asians also have the highest poverty rate of any racial group in New York, with 29 percent living below the poverty level, compared with 26 percent of Hispanics, 23 percent of blacks and 14 percent of whites. Poor Asians lag far behind whites and are barely ahead of blacks and Latinos. Thus, the income spectrum among Asians in New York ranges from a surprisingly large number in poverty, through a hardworking lower middle class, and on to a more affluent upper middle class.  They do however have a culture of cram schools for schools like Stuyvesant and a culture centered around education with high parental/peer pressure.  The article below talks about this in more depth.

https://nypost.com/2014/07/19/why-nycs-push-to-change-school-admissions-will-punish-poor-asians/
https://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21646217-top-marks-largely-go-asians-bill-de-blasio-wants-change-exams-asians-beware
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/22/opinion/the-truth-about-new-york-citys-elite-high-schools.html

So you have arguably an [b]economically disadvantaged population, most of whom are first generation immigrants[/b], yet are able to overcome these challenges due at least to cultural factors.  I think its fair to say that you could take this same population, as they are academically "elite", and move them into a bad school and still have high test scores.

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