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Prestige is always subjective. Wharton is certainly extremely prestigious. Beyond that Penn is a fine institution. It's no more nor any less prestigious to the layman on the street than Brown or Dartmouth. [b]There are many who'd think more highly of Brown or Dartmouth because of the theoretically stronger undergraduate focus and a campus environment that is a bit more traditional than the large urban university campus.[/b] A graduate school admissions committee or hiring manager isn't going to see that an applicant went to Penn and think him/her more impressive than a similar applicant from Brown or Dartmouth.

The way it works in real life among "those in the know," ie those who have a general awareness of the elite American colleges through family, occupation and education, is that the pecking order is as follows: HYP+Stanford/MIT/Caltech in group one, the rest of the Ivies plus Duke and Chicago in group two, and beyond that it's a bit murkier but the Vanderbilts, WUSTL, Carnegie Mellon, Rice, JHU are in the top of Group 3 along with Berkeley, Michigan, Chapel Hill, UVA, and so forth. They really don't differentiate between colleges within the broad groupings, with one exception and that is I'd even argue that H is in a group unto itself.

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Hardly. Penn has much stronger departments than Brown and Dartmouth even outside of Wharton. I agree about lay prestige though, all non-HYP ivies are similar. 
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Irrelevant. Especially from an undergrad perspective. If anything famous departments can be to the detriment of undergrads as the focus is primarily on research and grad students. For grad students only the department they attend matters, the rest of the university doesn’t. Hiring managers aren’t going to pick one candidate over another because one school has a stronger history department. Penn and Dartmouth and Brown are all the same. Elite colleges. [/quote]

Not irrelevant at all. Penn undergrads are taught exclusively by professors and there is a lot of access to research opps. I ll give you an example. Zeke Emmanuel. Harvard Med grad, Rhodes scholar and one of the main architects of Obamacare. Also a Penn professor. Do you think this kind of scholar would have come to Penn were it not for Penn's top medical and business schools? I don't think so. This professor teaches at least two undergrad classes and has undergraduates working with him on research. Other similar notable examples include Angela Duckworth, Adam Grant and Phillip Tetlock.  Brown and Dartmouth just can't attract these kids of names. 
Not saying a recruiter is going to choose a Penn kid just solely the strength of the department, but these are added opportunities for Penn students. [/quote]

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