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No, I told you that story because you asked "how conservative do I I lean" to indicate my moderate position. I was pulling for Kasich.

But you still had to come back with a nasty overgeneralization condemning conservatives as a group. Again, it's that type of demonization of "the other side" that is driving me more and more away from liberals. There was plenty, and in mean PLENTY, not to like about Hillary. I could start outlining all her crap, but there would be no point.
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I'm a DP (and the traditional liberal you mentioned above). I find this post odd. You are condemning a PP for overgeneralizing about conservatives, and then you are doing the same thing to liberals! You've already acknowledged that there is one liberal on this thread that you agree with or at least respect, so it's weird to turn around and then paint us all with the same brush.

I also think that it's important to distinguish between political philosophies and political parties. I think of the former as an intellectual paradigm and the latter as sort of a tribe. I am a registered Democrat, but when it comes down to it I identify more as a liberal than as a Democrat. In my personal experience, it is much more pleasant to talk to people about politics who identify based on their philosophy than on their party identity. I have wonderful, productive conversations with my friends who are philosophical conservatives. We approach things from a different perspective, but it's about the exchange of ideas and the desire to find good answers. I've noticed over time that we are often starting with different "facts", and I think these exchanges are helpful to us w.r.t. forcing us to actual confirm what we "know" to be true.

I have friends who identify more as Democrats than as liberals, and it works because we at least share similar conclusions and outcomes. But I don't tend to enjoy discussing politics with them, because they are coming from a tribal perspective rather than a philosophical one. It's very hard for me to discuss politics with tribal Republicans, because there is just so much daylight and no meaningful possibility of coming together. The only person I generally will engage this discussion with is my Dad, because he's my Dad. But it's frustrating and rarely accomplishes much.

So, if you are really a philosophical liberal, I find it confusing that you would start to become a conservative just because you dislike the attitudes of some other liberals. If you are really talking about leaning Democrat rather than Republican (regardless of whether you are registered as either), then I think your response makes more sense. I disagree with you, but I understand your perspective.[/quote]

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