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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I'm all for effective border control and managing immigration in such a way that people with skills enter our country and people who will drain our system are not admitted. Canada has such a system, I believe.[b]  But I have read that the most effective way to control illegal immigration is to crack down on the businesses that hire illegal immigrants in large scale. (Meatpacking plants in the Midwest come to mind.) imposing serious fines and possible prison time for owners of these plants would be a good solution, costing much less than a wall. And a wall poses constraints based on terrain and other factors, including extraordinary cost.
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This is based on my limited reading on the subject. Could anyone with deeper knowledge of the subject offer their perspective? Would serious crackdowns on business be the best answer to contain illegal immigration? I've read that the Republicans don't want to fine businesses because the business folks are Republicans. Plus, they need this hot-button issue to whip up all the rednecks and racists. And the Democrats don't want to conduct large scale raids on businesses because of concerns about offending citizens and racial profiling.

I would honestly like to learn more about this issue. Building a wall seems ridiculous if there are other, better solutions to the problem of illegal immigration.[/quote]
Yes, it is.  Simple common sense would tell you that even if there weren't data to support it (and I don't have a link right now, will try to find one).  The fact that no one talks about this is everything you need to know to recognize that building the wall has nothing to do with undocumented immigrants and everything to do with finding a scapegoat with dark skin to blame.[/quote]

+1.  Agree with both PPs. The wall is a load of BS for various reasons (cost, enforceability, effectiveness, etc). Cracking down on businesses and individuals who hire undocumented workers and giving them harsh punishments would absolutely work. However, there's no way Trump or his party wants to piss off the numerous people and companies doing that very thing-- which apparently includes his own businesses.[/quote]

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