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[quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele]Regarding the disclaimer, that is really not worth arguing about. It is standard boiler plate and simply meant as CYA incase you configure your IDSs with their rules and blow it up. [/quote] OK, putting the disclaimer aside as you suggest, then that means we need to take the content, such as it is, at face value; and unless additional info is presented via a subsequent supplemental release, that all the relevant info is contained in what we've been given. There's nothing in there about hacking multiple political parties, just one. There's nothing in there about hacking the election or even any assertion that the hack of the political party in any way influenced the election. There's nothing in there attributing a motive to the Russians to influence the election by hacking a political party. There's nothing in there attributing a specific motive of aiding Trump to win the election. Nothing at all, and it's not even close. And it's because this hacking wasn't specifically targeted at the election or the political parties. This was a mass spearfishing, probably of the type that goes on all the time and we are never told about. And out of 1,000 hacking targets, or spearfishing targets, it sounds like maybe less than a dozen or about one percent were foolish enough to fall victim to it. Nothing in the report supports the Obama administration and HRC propaganda campaign against Trump w/r/t to the Russian hacking allegations. Yet, you have posters in this thread deliberately making up "quotes" from the report that simply aren't there. The left is completely off the charts delusional. If and when we get any more info from DHS it'll be time to re-evaluate, but for now.....Dems, give it up already.[/quote] I am part of "the left" so unless you are saying that I am delusional -- you certainly wouldn't be the first -- the left is not completely delusional. The report neither confirms nor refutes that the Russians were behind the hack. There is simply not enough information to know either way. [/quote] Nope. You're in the field yourself, or were, and you as much stated as the report is so deficient to be worthless. You can't backtrack from that just because it doesn't agree with what you'd hoped it would have said based on your pre-conceived political notions. No proof of Russian hacking of the election with the intent to aid proof means exactly that: No proof. It's not incumbent on Trump or his supporters to prove that the allegation is false when there is absolutely no evidence presented, at all, to support even making it. This report doesn't even use words like "we suspect that..." There is NO MENTION of it. At all. And you just got done saying we need to ignore the disclaimer. Consider it ignore. You're beaten, jsteele. Admit defeat and give it up. You were wrong, you and the left were easily played by the Obama administration because of your severe leftward cognitive bias.[/quote] Now you are the one acting delusional. A worthless report cannot confirm guilt, but nor can it be used to exculpate. Worthless means it has no use. You are trying to use it for your own purposes (though why you are interested in declaring the Russians interesting is beyond me). This is not a game where one admits defeat or declares victory. This is a discussion about a topic of some interest. The report contains assertions that are not supported with evidence. The lack of evidence does not mean the assertions are false, but it does mean that I am unwilling to accept them at face value. [/quote]
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