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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Exactly, PP!  That's what I tell people about the climate change debate -- it's all so complicated talking about so many thousands of years that's it's SO HARD to know what's right!!!

That was sarcasm.  The great weight of scholarly authority says he existed.  If you want to disagree, go ahead, but stop acting like it's a coin flip.  You're in a small minority.[/quote]

+1. And [b]we're all so sick of PP[/b] substituting insults for actual arguments and sock-puppetting herself like she did a page ago. If PP disagrees, she needs to tell us why Dickson is wrong instead of insulting him. Even a hint of an actual argument would make a good start.[/quote]

PP should be careful about speaking in absolutes, because there's no way of knowing how we on this forum all feel.[/quote]

Oh I think it's pretty clear that you're the only one here who thinks unoriginal insults and talking about yourself in the third person are substitutes for real discussion.

Tell us why you disagree with Dickson, or answer the questions about your own theory. Who exactly stood to benefit by "creating" Jesus (hint: your earlier answer about Romans in the AD 300s suffer d from some obvious chronological problems). Why should we ignore Mark and Paul in 55 AD (not even Lataster ignores them). [/quote]

Not PP, but...

I don't think religions are started to [i]control[/i] people. IMO they are started probably someone who wanted to tell a good story. The story sounded good to a lot of people for whatever reason (let's make Jerusalem great again!) so people continued to tell it and it caught on because people were desperate for a change (sound familiar?). Once this belief reached critical mass some people decided to insert themselves to take advantage of the power. Make up a few rules and bam, controlling people.

And I don't want to interfere with your "exchange" with PP, but you are really over-reacting to some of the comments. 
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It's not "overreacting" to ask for arguments instead of insults. But keep working the insults....

I'm the PP who read the Arian piece and was disappointed to find a rehash of history I already knew and zilch about the subject of our discussion--the historical evidence for or against Jesus. I'm really interested in this subject and consider myself to have an open mind. I'm also a researcher myself (in a totally different field having nothing to do with religion or history) and I press for facts for a living--so shoot me.  But you guys just aren't bringing any support for your position.

Along those lines, your theory above is interesting, but do you have a shred of proof? Your theory sounds much like the mythicism that Dickson derides as being in a tiny minority, i.e., the idea that Jesus started in somebody's dreams. (BTW, for kicks you should google Lataster. He self-published his books, still hasn't received his PhD, and seems to have annoyed multiple scholars with his airy debating tactics and casual use of facts.) There is a fair amount of evidence that Jesus was real, and the vast majority of scholars appear to accept that Jesus was real. So tell us why we should accept your speculation?[/quote]

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