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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Abortion numbers have actually increased since Dobbs. Funny how that works!

As a mom of two daughters, reproductive freedom is my top voting issue. Same with my first time presidential election voting daughter. We showed up and voted last week. [/quote]

Nice to you know you're raising your daughter in fear of false dilemmas without the critical stamina to understand that women are in far worse danger of subjugation under the regime that is allowing men to invade their spaces, their jobs, their sports. You are not being a good role model for your daughter when you teach her that the most important issue for electing a president is how far along in pregnancy a woman can abort her child. Question: has Harris said how she will overturn the Scotus decision?[/quote]

What a load of bologna. I am definitely raising my daughters and sons to be able to see through that kind of b*******.

Explain to your sons and daughters the critical importance of reproductive rights and explain to them how to fight and vote to get them.[/quote]

Why do you keep saying reproductive rights when what you mean is abortion? You can turn yourself inside out all you want, you are still advocating for ending the lives of fetuses. These are not 'clumps of cells.' These are fully-formed, human beings, who, after about 12 weeks, have to be pulled apart and killed in utero. [/quote]

Ok scoldylocks, I wouldn't even have kids to teach if it wasn't for IVF like millions of other moms.   And darling, some of the embryos don't make it when you do IVF.

I've got this issue covered with my kids. I don't need any help from the likes of you.[/quote]

I'm the PP you're responding to, and I also had my children through IVF--actual IVF, not the IUI, as the Walzes did then lied about. In any event, it is a red herring to talk about "reproductive rights" and you know it. You are not voting about IVF, you are voting about abortion and cannot be honest with yourself. I am fully aware of how IVF works by the way. And you know what else, two of my IVF babies were born at 20 weeks. I held them for the 2 hours they lived and breathed outside of my uterus. Kissed them and told them how much I loved them. Are you the kind of person who calls those "clumps of cells?"[/quote]

Well then from one IVF mom to another.... I don't know why you don't understand this..... but the destruction of Roe threatens IVF as a fertility treatment.  If you want to fully protect access to IVF and some other fertility treatments...And yes also abortion, which is the flip side of fertility treatments, Daniel then we then we need to fight to get back the protections of Roe.  Voting for Harris it's the beginning of this process.[/quote]

Actually, as an"IVF mom" (though, I don't know identify myself that way), I am hopeful that the technology is as close as it sounds to not have to produce and discard embryos. I am a massive hypocrite, because the discarding of embryos bothers me. I did not discard any. We had multiple rounds--as I mentioned, two of them were delivered and died at 20 weeks, and the rest were used in multiple attempts. It would pain me to discard of them. [b]Nonetheless, not a single state has taken a step to ban IVF, so again, red herring.[/b][/quote]

Did you really miss that the Alabama Supreme Court issued a ruling in February declaring that embryos created through in IVF should be considered children?[/quote]

Do you really not understand that this is not banning IVF? [/quote]

Do you really not understand that the risk is not an IVF ban?  The clinics that halted the procedure made that decision all by themselves to avoid the risks of facing catastrophic liabilities.  [/quote]

What do they procedurally do with all of the unused embryos (which are inherently necessary via this procedure)? You can't discard them. You can't keep them frozen forever. If you transport them across state lines for disposal, would they be charged with mass murder? It's not just legal liability, it's legal jeopardy.[/quote]

+1.  Ivf does not need to be banned in order to have no clinics actually offer the procedure. If you truly decide that an embryo or a fetus is a person then IVF is over.

Overturning roe pollutes a wide ranging array of women's healthcare issues.  For example, it doesn't prohibit obstetricians from coming to your state, it just ends up having that effect.  The risks of practicing medicine in an abortion ban state make it  an undesirable location to practice that specialty.[/quote]

It is safer to carry pregnancies in pro choice states.[/quote]

Dobbs didn't outlaw IVF. [/quote]

The GOP’s attack on women’s health care is a risk to women’s health, including IVF and general ob/gyn care.

Anyone who is being intellectually honest would admit this.

It’s safer to carry pregnancies in pro choice states.
 
It’s safer to be a woman in pro choice states.

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How is it safer to be a woman when Democrats want erasure of the term women?

Why do Democrats support transgender operations on male prisoners but not government funded/subsidized IVF?

Republicans are pro family and not all demonize IVF. Many Republican women use IVF to have families of their own. It’s actually more likely Republicans will come up with ways to be more pro women and pro family like supporting subsidized IVF and childcare something Donald Trump was a first to support for all  federal workers (maternity and paternity leave and childcare)  [/quote]

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