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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Can Biden step down and hand Kamala the 47th presidency and she run as the incumbent?[/quote]
If Biden isn't well enough to run, he's not well enough to lead. If Dems were genuinely as excited about Harris as posters here say, they would do this. That would lock in the nomination for Harris. Absent that, anything can happen in an open convention.[/quote]

The convention is purely ceremonial. You get that. Right?  Because the convention is being help after the Ohio deadline and maybe 1-2 others to submit the nominee. And no one trusts Ohio Rs when they say they will make an exception and put the Dem nominee on the ballot despite that, especially now.  So, the actual delegate voting will start no earlier than 8/1 and will be completed no later than 8/7, via a virtual convention. And as of last evening, Harris had well over the number of delegates she needs.  She’ll get the nomination in a virtual vote next week. That plan was announced under Biden when it became clear Ohio might try to keep him off the ballot. And it was announced yesterday that was still the plan. As it should be. I don’t trust Ohio or a red state to put Harris on the ballot.

By the time we reach the convention, she’s been formally nominated for a couple of weeks and already had her name submitted to the states. The convention is just free prime time and speeches and tag rah go team.

Why is the convention so late?  Good question. The incumbent party goes last, and they are programming against the Olympics. [/quote]

They chose television programming over ballot deadlines, and you want me to vote for them with that kind of judgment?[/quote]
Trump tweets our national intelligence details, but you think he has good judgement?[/quote]

No, I don’t.

Moderates, swing voters, independents: you need our votes. For many of us, it isn’t a choice between Democrats and MAGA. It’s a choice between Democrats and staying home.

A lot of us haven’t seen the Democrats do enough to preserve what we care about: ending school shootings, protecting gay marriage from a Dobbs-type overturn, national healthcare, and reforms of so many basic social systems that have become rampantly predatory.  They lost Roe. They didn’t do enough, they took it for granted, and they lost it, and I have zero faith that it won’t happen again. There is no anti-Project 2025 plan from the Democrats. There is a lot of fundraising against its spectre, but no plan.

And we see that if MAGA doesn’t win in 2024, it will only be a stay of execution; we will have Project 2029 instead.

Most of the Democrat voters don’t want to have this conversation, though. They want to assume I’m a MAGA follower for questioning what the Democrats are doing.[/quote]

Dems cannot do what you want unless there is a majority in the House and a filibuster proof majority in the senate. So staying home means letting the GOP run roughshod over the country. How about supporting Dems and findng a handful of reasonable GOP who are willing to do something to protect human rights, and limit the damage the guns can do to our children.[/quote]

+1, and what is the GOP doing about anything you want accomplished? It's always the Democrats' fault, right? [b]They have to play with one hand tied behind their back and another party not operating in good faith.[/b] It's amazing that they're able to accomplish anything. Remind me again what the GOP platform is beyond mass deportations, revenge and platitudes?[/quote]

Bull! We had 20 years out of the past 30+ years under Democratic administrations . 16 years of Clinton and Obama, and 4 years of Biden. They all were voted in with blue waves over Senate and Congress and did nothing .  Where’s the gun control? The abortion protection? Where even is equal pay for women? We’ve been waiting on that one since 1972 and Dems were able to slip that to now pass EO’s /legislation saying anyone can be women and use women’s spaces . Great [/quote]

Do you understand what a filibuster is? They need the support of 60 senators to support any of the legislation you just described. They'd gladly do it if they had the support but even if they somehow cobbled together 60 votes, you get defections from folks like Manchin and Sinema. And you think anyone in the GOP is going to support gun control, abortion protection, equal pay for women? [/quote]

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