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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The insurance is t his fault. The teachers need to get a grip[/quote]

You don’t get it. I am one of the staff who has to switch plans. Inconvenient but Ok, it happens. I didn’t make a big deal. But after waiting for hours yesterday to speak with someone who could give me answers and seeing staff being turned away I am upset. Come on. Someone has to come up with a better plan to give information. And please treat staff with respect. About time someone does. This is demoralizing. [/quote]

What on earth did you need to speak to someone about? This isn’t 1977. Fire up Google and get on with your life.

You do realize the private sector does this all the time and we don’t whine like the teachers are.[/quote]

you must be one of the teacher haters. my guess is you also complain about staff shortages.[/quote]

NP. Why must anyone who doesn't express complete empathy for teachers for every complaint be a teacher hater? Do you really believe that all teachers are saints and never whine or complain excessively or over-react to something....that they are all always 100% right and entitled to whatever they say and do? I seriously doubt the teachers would unite and advocate for other government employees' every term of employment and benefit issue, let alone for parents working in government or private sectors. [/quote]

NP here. I wonder why it tends to be teachers who complain. Do teacher preparation programs only take people who are fundamentally incompetent and make everything harder than it needs to be? Does being in the classroom turn you into a whiner? Because I don't understudy why, if their jobs aren't uniquely bad, do we see more teachers whining than other government employees? Why are there shortages? Why do fewer people than ever want to go into the profession?

I don't understand the ins and outs of the health insurance issue but there do tend to be a lot of teacher complainers and a lot of people telling them to shut it. It's an interesting dynamic. [/quote]

Speaking of teacher haters. 
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No, my personal opinion is that the most rational reason for all the complaints is that teachers do indeed have cause to complain, and I'm always a little baffled that people tend to come to the conclusion that teachers are just whiners who don't understand the realities of employment. [/quote]

This. I work alot of hours outside of normal business hours like many salaried staff.  But I’ve never had to buy basic supplies,  I can use the bathroom whenever I want, I get a proper lunch break most days.  I get the occasional perk like an unexpected day off,  ability to telework now, no worries about showing up late or leaving early from time to time,  and so on.

Pay-wise teachers now do well or better than many college educated but the working conditions blow. I really believe teachers stay in these jobs because they love the kids. [/quote]

The conditions aren’t great in the classroom compared to the cushy WFH gig some people get. In person is a must. But not all teachers love kids.

Let’s call it for what it is: there are few jobs that pay an average of $80k per 10-month year with a bachelors, come with a pension and retiree medical, honor weekends and holidays, don’t put you on a plane away from your kids all the time, give you lockstep raises based on credentials and seniority, and provide reasonable job security regardless of performance, plus the well known benefit of holiday breaks and summers off to recover. I think teachers are rational actors and can weigh the pros and cons of their personal career alternatives.

[b]We have a teacher shortage now because for a long time we had a teacher glut, those people moved on, and now we are facing some demographic realities[/b].

If teachers have a specific problem they want the parents to lobby to fix, they need to be a lot more professional than “If you don’t let me keep Kaiser because APS, I’m leaving.” Feel free to try out FCPS, you might like it better there, you might hate it. Feel free to try out the private sector and get used to taking conference calls while your kids are home for the fourth time that month due to some religious holiday. Work a few Christmases, or Disney trips, or spend a week away every quarter at some dank conference room in Cleveland, just to be laid off at the first sign of trouble. Give it a go and see how you like it.

Tie your arguments to how this actually hurts kids, not your personal needs, and you might get somewhere with the parents. A lot of us want to help you but some of ya’ll sound downright irrational. [/quote]

What do you mean by this?

By the way I'm not a teacher.  [/quote]

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