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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote]My Asian friends parents sent them to Cram schools in summer. They actually request the books for next school year then spend 40 hours a week all summer studying. They had pros helping with Essay, SAT tutors. Many their focus was just homework. And they worked as a group helping each other. [/quote] This still happens, including &quot;Saturday school.&quot; [/quote]

And when white UMC parents do the same thing, it's called &quot;enrichment&quot;[/quote]

I’m a white UMC parent of one in high school and one in middle school.  I don’t know a single white UMC kid who has gone to Saturday School or done any form of academic enrichment other than SAT or ACT prep.  Weekends are generally for sports, hanging out with friends and going on trips with family.[/quote]

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You are a white UMC family that prioritizes athletics and family time, what is wrong with Asians focusing on education. BTW, now most UMC Asian families are also focused on athletics or other EC in addition to academics because they know they have to be better that all other races to get into the colleges of their choice. In NYC, it is many low income Asian families who attend cram schools to get out of poverty.  I don't see anything wrong with it. My parents sacrificed a lot to send me to a top college, I hold them in the highest regard for affording me all the opportunities. Even today despite being modestly off, my parents never ask me for money and are there for childcare at any time. I have never cried about lost childhood or filling out bubbles - I am just grateful for their dedication. Today I can send me kids to private schools only because they sacrificed for me. My children have the luxury of exploring different EC because money is no longer a constraint. They do not need to go to cram schools because my husband and I are well educated and provide a home environment which is already enriched.

Get rid of non-revenue sports and legacy - we will see how many UMC white families will focus on those sports once they no longer factor into admissions.

Also, Asians score higher on every measure, including EC, interview and recommendations when compared to whites. The only place they score lower is in &quot;personality&quot; which is a Harvard made up section by admissions officer who has never even met the kid. See the link below:

https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/yjbefg/oc_how_harvard_admissions_rates_asian_american/[/quote]

&quot;Based on the original source
, the overall rejection rate for Asian Americans and White students is almost identical, 95%.

A (very) slightly higher proportion of Asian American applicants receive an overall score of 1 or 2 (the top categories) than White American applicants (4.84% vs. 4.43%). Of those with a score of 1 or 2, 66% of Asian American student and 66% of White students are accepted.

In short, White and Asian American students have similar score distributions and acceptance rates (even when you condition on overall score).

Among Asian American applicants, 82% have a &quot;poor&quot; personal rating score (&gt;=3), while 79% of White applicants are in the same category. Nevertheless, Asian American students with a poor personal rating make up 27% of accepted Asian American students, while White students with a poor personal rating score only make up 16% of accepted White students. To put that another way, if you have a poor personal rating score, you're 65% more likely to get accepted if you are Asian American than if you are White. I would assume that this is because poorly rated Asian American students are more likely to have higher scores in the other categories.

As I stated in a previous comment, the personal rating is based on
 teacher recommendations, counselor ratings, and student essays (which don't appear elsewhere on the chart). So it seems likely to me that the difference in personal rating is based on how admissions committee members are rating essays. That doesn't mean racial bias isn't responsible for this difference, but it also don't mean that it definitely is.&quot;

from your reddit link.

I would also be interested to know who is interviewing the candidates....are kids interviewed by alumnis who meet their same demographic? Ive seen plenty of Ivy interviews and they all seem to match.....white women with white girl, white men with white boy, Asian male with asian boy. [/quote]

I also want to add the following: [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSO_Gnv0oeI[/youtube]. Performance is not the only important indicator for organizations. [/quote]

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